MUSLIMS.. What part of The Trinity can you not get? The Old Testament indicates, your quran is smoke..?

Question

Islam is one of these cults that deny the trinity. But yes, it is in the Old Testament. Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, Elohim created. That is not Yahweh, Elohim is a plurality, meaning more than one. Just like Cherubim and Seraphim, angels. Anything that ends in “im” is more than one.

Now, we know that God the Father was there, and you believed that. But in Genesis 1:2, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. Then in Proverbs 30:4, it says, who hath created all the ends of the earth? Who hath created the world? What is God's name and what is His Son's name? That’s not the New Testament, that’s the Hebrew Scriptures. In Isaiah 9:6-7, it says, Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And what is the name of this son? The Mighty God in the next verse.

what part of this can you not grasp?

a CHILD is born, not a Prophet. hello?

God Jehovah has a Son, muhammad the son?

muhommad is a virgin brain (never used) not a virgin birth.

this allah, had NO son.

The Old Testament indicates your quran is smoke.

The New Testament Eph.Ch.4:4-5 confirmsit it being smoke.

To: Love Is Great
If your going to refudiate scripture, do it with The Bible scripture. I'm not impressed with your quran typo smoke. YOU just proved. MUSLIMS CAN'T BACK UP ANYTHING! NOTHING. You always point to The Bible. NOW, I pointed you to it. Cat got your tongue?

To: butterfly. You were raised Catholic and saw the holes? Thank God. I see now, where you jumped out of the kettle and into the frying pan.

To: mo8523dsfaugr
First of all, who told you this was wrote in arabiac languae my friend.? No wander your misguided.
Muslims trying to prove their position from the Bible point to the Old Testament with the word alleluyah, interpreting the first portion of the word alle as Allah. The word [H]alleluyah is not a compound Hebrew word. It is not two words but a singular word meaning praise to Yahweh. (alle- praise, lu-to, yah-Yaweh). The beginning of the word is Hallel meaning praise. This has nothing to do with an Allah, and the last syllable of the word is a reference to Yahweh the God of the Bible, this is hardly any evidence for their assertions. They are also confusing Aramaic with Arabic. This is not unusual, as Muslims will often take words and meanings set in another language and culture and adopt them for proof of their own book or religion.

To:taimur
I see your doing a lot of talking and walking as all the others. I have yet to see anyone claim this a misprint in the Bible. It's Muslims that declare 100's of mistakes in it. I just showed you, in The Old Testament where JESUS CHRIST IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVAH. Now...Is this a misprint or not? Muslims appear to show the Bible is wrong and contradicts itself. You my friend or nobody has shown me this. I could care less about your quran. Muslims say The Bible contradics itself. hello? show me a contradiction here with The BIBLE.

Answer 1

Islam is a mans religion for a mans world. It is purely carnal in nature, and as such is grounded in what is physically possible. They can not therefor understand aspects of a God that does not conform to the laws of physics.

1 John 2:22 points out for one thing that allah can not be God.

Funny story; http://homelessheart.com/three_men.htm

Answer 2

Hope this is helping...Adam was once advised through God Not to consume from a distintive tree. He disobeyed and listened to Eve. They got the whole thing within the Garden, Except that special tree and it was once a metaphor. Indicating it was once no longer beneficial to them to turn out to be gods... Matthew 21:19, Mark four:7. Isaiah 14:12. Even then the serpent represented a deciever and is an outline of the person of his nature and it appears walked upright, Before he decieved Adam and Eve. Isaiah is addressing the Fall and uprising that have got to have occured earlier than they had been Ceated. You are not able to seem at Scripture of the Old Testament as a timeline of parties. The New Testament additionally describes him because the Beast, Daniel eleven:37, Revelation 12:10, Always accusing the saints, Revelation thirteen the Serpent of ancient, dragon, also known as the demons guys of ancient Genesis 6:four all male. There are 17 Scripture references to Hell. Deuteronomy 32:22, second Samuel 22:6, Job eleven:eight, Job 26:6, Psalm nine:17, Psalm sixteen:10, Psalms 18:five, Psalm fifty five:five, Psalm 86:thirteen, Psalm 116:three, Psalm 139:eight, Proverbs five:five, Proverbs 7:27, Proverbs nine:18, Proverbs 15:eleven, Proverbs 15:24, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 27:20, Isaiah5:14, Isaiah 14:nine, Isaiah 14:15, Isaiah 28:15,18, Isaiah fifty seven:nine, Ezekiel 31:sixteen,17, Ezekiel 32:21, 27, Amos (:two, Johah two:two, Habbakuk two:five, Jesus Matthew five:22, 29, 30,Matthew 10:28, Matthew eleven:23, Matthew sixteen:18, Matthew 18:nine, Matthew 23:15,23, Mark nine:forty three,forty five, forty seven,Luke 10:15, Luke 12:five, Luke sixteen:23, Acts two:27, 31,James three:6, second Peter two:four, Revelation a million:18, Revelation 6:eight, Revelation 20:thirteen, 14,

Answer 3

The hebrew Scriptures not only do not support a concept of trinity but clearly state that such a belief is Idolatry.

But getting to your 'proofs':

1. elohim...see Exodus 7:1 and tell me elohim is plural. elohim is used when God interacts with the world using the attribute of strict justice...similary in Exodus 7:1 God is telling Moses that Moses has been set up as the source of strict justice over Pharoah

2: Gen 1:2 - ruach elohim means spirit of god...whatever that is. It implies a restrained justice as opposed to strict justice above.
There is no implication of 'parts' or 'personages' of god.

3: Proverbs 30:4: you've mistranslated it: nowhere in that verse does the word God, in any form, appear. the question at the end is 'mah-sh'mo oomah shem-b'no' What is his name and what is his son's name. This verse is referring to Moses, the father of all prophets, and Solomon, the wisest of all men but still not even close to Moses in prophesy....all prophets can be referred to as Moses' sons

4. Isaiah 9. Does not refer to Jesus but to the child spoken of in 7:14 which is the future son of King Ahaz. The child is born, confirming the previous prophesy and the verse should be prunctuated and translated thusly: For a child is born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion (ie he's a future king) will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Advisor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, called his name 'Prince of Peace'.
in other words, God Himself named the child and that this child is the next in the Davidic line leading to the eventual Messiah. He is called Prince of Peace because his birth fulfills the previous prophesy that Ahaz will win the war against Sennacherib, ushing in a period of peace in the kingdom.

So, now that YOU know the TRUTH, what is it about the Trinity being false that YOU don't understand.

Answer 4

unfortunately you have been brainwashed by a religion and seem to think that if people do not believe in your way then they are wrong. Everyone has their own religion and beliefs and shame on you for thinking you are right. Religion is like the game phone. Who knows what religion truly was? Look at all the new things being discovered. Religion has been passed down from generation and stories have been changed. God is not just one groups he is EVERY ONES God. Stop being judge mental.


No one is ever going to change your mind so why ask this question. And I have a mind of my own. I may not pratice a relgion but God loves everyone no matter if you pray in a church or in your home. I have not killed, hurt, or victimised anyone so I would still say I'm in the pot.

Answer 5

This question is a perfect example of why I hate organized religion. It is the exact reason why there have been holy wars and religious pissing matches. EVERYONE thinks their s#it doesn't stink -that their God can beat up another's.

Pitiful that you do not follow the basic tenants of your own beliefs -whether that be "love thy neighbor", "let he without sin cast the first stone", or in divine justice. Instead, you throw yourselves into the role of judge and executioner in the name of a god that doesn't exist. You rationalize your hatred and intolerance by quoting scriptures from an archaic storybook and do not even fully comprehend the intention and meaning behind the words you cast at each other.

I hope that one day you can wrap your brain around the concept of your own arrogance. Humble yourself, tremble before God, and do not concern yourself with the judgements handed down from Heaven unto those on the Earth. Stay fast in your beliefs, but be concerned only with your own. If you believe, then God will handle the rest.

IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO JUDGE!

Answer 6

first of all, i feel sorry for your half-abusive language and disrespect towards Muhammad (peace be upon him). this is what differs muslims from Christians, because Muslim respects God, Jesus and holy spirit. but they dont get the similar response from Christians. and this is quite evident in your question.

who said you that we believe in bible, we believe in the revelation of Jesus. not current bible,,, ,the bible today has been interpolated ... this is not the gospel of jesus.

Isaiah 9:6-7 ,, also says "The everlasting Father", what do you mean that everlasting father was born. HELLOOOOOOO.. FATHER IS EVERLASTING... HOW CAN HE BE BORN IF HE IS EVERLASTING.. FURTHERMORE,,,,If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is illogical! HELLOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

In the Bible, God is very often referred to as ‘Elohim’ in the Hebrew language. The ‘im’ in the ending is a plural of honour not plural of number.

In several languages, there are two types of plurals, one is a plural of numbers to refer to something that occurs in a quantity of more than one. The other plural is a plural of respect.

In the English language, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘We’ instead of ‘I’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’.
Rajiv Gandhi, the ex-Prime Minister of India used to say in Hindi "Hum dekhna chahte hain". "We want to see." ‘Hum’ means ‘We’ which is again a royal plural in Hindi.
Similarly in Arabic, when Allah refers to Himself in the Qur’an, He often uses Arabic word 'Nahnu' meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate plural of number but plural of respect.


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COMING TO THE TRINITY

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All of your statements does not prove trinity. Jesus pbuh never talk about trinity. The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. The word "Trinity" does not exist anywhere in the whole Bible. The closest verse regarding "Trinity" in the Bible, has now been thrown out of the Bible
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one."

In the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (R.S.V.) revised by 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different co-operating denominations, this verse which is the keystone of the Christian faith of trinity has been removed as an interpolation . Its no longer there in the RS Version of the bible, because the RS Version of the bible takes back more closer to the source, approx. 200 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus Christ pbuh. The more closer to the source, the more authentic it is.

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In Surah Nisa chapter 4 verse 171
"Say not ‘Trinity’: desist:
It will be better for you for
Allah is one God."
[Al-Qur’an 4:171]

Answer 7

Most Christians do no accept the trinity. Any thing to divide God is to limit Him and idolatry. According to Christian rules, it is not a requirement to accept the trinity to be Christian. People can say what they want of the Holy Prophet (SAW) and the Holy Qur'an but the intellectual will always survive and dominate. Christianity has become a pagan religion and losing followers to Islam on a daily basis. Just look around when you go to Church and tell me it is not idolatry.

Answer 8

Islam is a Satanic religion, but at least it is monotheistic according to the Abrahamic tradition. Much of Christendom is actually polytheistic just like the Babylonish pagans who are condemned by God. What do the Scriptures actually say about the Trinity?

Matt. 26:39: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’”

John 8:17, 18: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.”

Col. 1:15, 16: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation

Rev. 1:1; 3:14, “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him... ‘And to the angel of the church in La-odicea write: “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.”’”

Mark 13:32, “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

Matt. 20:20-23, “Jesus answered,... ‘You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.’”

Matt. 12:31, 32, “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven

John 14:28: “[Jesus said:] I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3: “I want you to understand that ... the head of Christ is God.”

1 Cor. 8:5, 6: “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father

1 Pet. 1:3: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!”

Answer 9

Elohim is a plurality?
to all my respect to you. i am familiar with arabic language. and Elohim is a word in arabic called Allahomma. this word is used when u talk to God and it means "i hope God ..."

Allahomma forgive my sins = i hope from you God to forgive my sins.

cult is not Islam, but cult is the one that deny the 1st of all commandment:
1st You shall not take other gods before Me!

Deuteronomy 4:39
The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus said: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. "

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

the cult are the one that ignore what the truth of the Bible and take the words of men.
who allow John to put his words down in the Bible of God? and who allow John to allow eating pork after it was forbidean (Does God change His words? )

Muhammad isn't a superman or superpower, but he was supported by God indeed. he is a simple man and an orphan who has been chosed to be the prophet of God. he died poor with no desire of this world.

Jesus has been created inside a human been, means he has been created. He is one of God great servants. his mission is to guide people toward the truth that God is only one. He came as a miracle for a sign to the children of isreal who are too stubborn to believe and supported by the holy spirit (Angel Gibriel)

don't say ur God is three inside One! but say your God is only One as some of the remain truth of Bible says.

Answer 10

123 is about the Goddess the the Lamb slept with. spell G with a T. and thats Her birthday and Todd is inside Her And Larrib squished together is Lamb who is the lamp. and b=p=DI stitched together just like the Larri Todd S.'s arm IIII I . where D=IIII.
and SLAIN=SIL A I IV as in cuts. that is scripture explained by that lamp who is EMERALD. that jesus saw as god the EMPEROR the KING OF KINGS and LORD of LORDS who the world tries to destroy but He WINS.

even though they rat out his thoughts and try to outrank this spiritual man of god.

god as the man shown above did create the UNIVERSE but it means this:

U IV I VERSE and IV I is Him so U HIM VERSE people is how all life is created. His is just special because He can see that nobody rises from the dead after 3 days. and i have to verse all of you fn fakes.

allah says all a h and h is described over time MARCH APRIL MAY where we see it describes the same forward or reverse.

my arm as IIII I . the inspiration for DIO