Christians: Want More?!?

Question

MORE VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE AND/OR THE DIVINITY OF JESUS..
John 14:28 - One was greater than the other.
John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 - Jesus was helpless.
John 5:20 - The Father showed the son.
John 5:30 and 6:38 - Jesus and God had different wills.
John 5:31-32 - Jesus' witness was not true.
John 6:11 and 11:41-42 - Jesus gave thanks.
John 6:32 - The Father was the provider, not the son.
John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 - Jesus was from God.
John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 - Jesus' words were not his.
John 8:42 - Jesus did not come of himself.
John 10:29 - "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all."
John 14:1 - Jesus said, "...believe also in me."
John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 - Jesus prayed.
John 14:31 and 15:10 - Jesus followed commands.
John 17:6-8 - "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me."
John 20:17 - Jesus had a god.
Acts 2:22 - Jesus was "a man approved of God."
Romans 8:34 - Jesus was an intercessor.
more??

Answer 1

even though you are correct, some people are not able to see the trees for the forest

Answer 2

To understand the relationship between Jesus and God the Father, maybe we should look at the human family. I am a father, I have a son. Because I am the father and he is the son, is he any less a man that I am? Is he any less a human than I am? I have authority over my son because he submits to my authority even though he has a free will. I am not comparing myself to God of course. All authority was given to Jesus by God the Father. Jesus and God the Father are in total agreement and harmony.

Answer 3

Even if all the things you say are valid -- and not all of them are -- you seem to be saying that there are limits on God's power.

For instance, you seem to be saying that God, in the person of the Son, cannot follow commands (Jn 14:31, 15:10). You don't seem to understand that God the Son is obedient, and that one reason for that is to teach us an unforgettable lesson about obedience.

As for John 14:28, you're failing to realize that Jesus was teaching us a lesson in humility. If He could be humble before the Father, then obviously, so should we.

You also seem to be saying that God, in the person of the Son, is incapable of human virtues such as obedience and humility. You seem to be saying that God isn't really God unless He's wielding power and being almighty and all that.

Of course, God is fully capable of wielding power and being almighty -- but He's also capable of much more than that. You seem to be placing limits on God's capabilities, including His capability (and willingness) to be humble and subservient in the person of the Son.

Each of the persons of the Trinity brings different qualities to us, and each is capable of them all.

Answer 4

Nonsense !!!

ONE GOD ONE ENTITY

( Do you trust God’s Word or mans’? )

Isa.43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. Isa.43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour. Isa.43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Isa.44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God.

Rev.1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isa.44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside Me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa.45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isa.45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside Me. Isa.45:22 Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa.46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, Isa.46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt.1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John.1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Eph.4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom are all things, and we by Him.

Answer 5

What's your point? Jesus was and is all of those things. When He was on this earth, He conducted Himself as a human. Duh?
Look, I don't bash your religion here or anywhere else. Nor do I go around trying to convert people. I could say many things about Islam, however I respect that most Muslims are peace-loving, devout people. Could you return the favor please?

Answer 6

More? You haven't got anything yet.

Yes. You need a starting point somewhere. Keep seeking until you find one.

God Bless You.

Answer 7

Sorry bud, I think Mainworry just blew you away.

Answer 8

Your point is what ?

Answer 9

I will pray for you.

Answer 10

ok....that doesnt change me being catholic