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This is a topic on salvation for Christians. I for now believe once saved always saved. To see why I believe this please visit my web site: http://www.godrelationship.org/

2006-06-12 11:36:44 · 17 answers · asked by †ServantofGod† 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The bible throughout talks about the subject. Here are some

Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

HEBREWS 3:12-14 "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,"

There’s that word again - “unbelief.” What did Jesus say, "If you believe.” The above text suggests that one can believe in Christ, and then be deceived into unbelief. The Israelites who died in the wilderness, could not enter into the promised land because of “unbelief.” Their disobedience was proof of their disbelief. (Hebrews 3:19) If we believe, we will obey. If we refuse to obey, it is because we do not truly believe in the rightness of God.
MATTHEW 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

1 JOHN 1:7 "If we walk in the light .... the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin."

ROMANS 11:22 "Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off."

1 JOHN 2:24 "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

The words HOLD, WALK, CONTINUE, ABIDE, REMAIN, all suggest an ongoing relationship, rather than a one time decision. The word "if" stresses an ongoing choice between options.

2 TIMOTHY 2:12 "If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us."

JOHN 15:1-6 "You are already clean (saved) because of the word which I have spoken to you. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."

Here clearly are believers who are "saved." They have been forgiven of their sins. They are clean. Yet Christ tells them that they will be cut off the tree like a withered branch, and "cast into the fire," unless they continue to abide in Him.

Again notice the words ENDURE, AND ABIDE are commands to continue. Again the word "if" suggests alternatives, and free choice.

1 CORINTHIANS 9:27 Paul himself said, ". . . lest by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away." (rejected)

If anyone was in a "saved" condition, if was Paul. The apostle to the Gentiles - stoned, imprisoned, whipped, shipwrecked, all for the cause of Christ. Yet here Paul says there is a chance that even He could be “cast away,” if He does not continue to abide in Christ, and thereby keep His commandments.

ROMANS 11:17-20,21,22 Paul speaking to a Gentile convert says, "...some of the branches were broken off, and you ... were grafted in....." "Do not be haughty but fear, for if God did not spare the natural branches He may not spare you either." "Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God; on those who fell severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off."

First please notice that “some,” not all, of the “natural branches” (biological descendants of Abraham) were “cut off” “because of unbelief.” God has not broken His covenant with Israel. His covenant with Abraham continues to this day for any Jew who comes to believe in Christ. Paul here tells the Gentile convert that He has been grafted into the tree (the true Israel - the believing descendants of Abraham). He has become part of the church. He is blessed of God. He is saved. His name has been written in Heaven. Yet just like the unbelieving Jews, he can and will be cut off if he does not continue in the faith.

SOME WILL DEPART
1 TIMOTHY 4:1 ". . . some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits"

1 TIMOTHY 5:15 "For some have already turned aside after Satan."

REVELATION 2:4 (Speaking to the church of Ephesus) "you have left your first love." "Repent"

2 PETER 2:20 "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."

2 PETER 1:9-10 Peter tells the brethren to give all diligence to their growth in knowledge and virtue, "for he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins." (He lacks faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity.) "Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if your do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Peter here seems to be saying that if one does not "give diligence" or attention to Christian growth, he could stumble and fall away and thereby loose his election or entrance into the everlasting kingdom of Christ. In other words - he could loose his salvation.

HEBREWS 10:26 "For if we sin (are sinning or continue to sin) willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin."

(This verse was improperly translated from the Greek because there is no present participle in the Greek.)

This verse describes exactly the condition of the callous individual who believes that he has been saved and therefore cannot ever be lost. He goes on sinning without even trying to stop, all the while believing that he is in a saved condition. There is nothing that God can do for this person, because he does not sense his need.

EZEKIEL 33:13 "When I say to the righteous he will surely live (eternally), and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die (the second death)."

Here is the man who believes that his salvation is a fact, which nothing can alter. He has been righteous and will receive his reward. Because he believes that his reward is certain, he becomes careless. He does not feel his need of continued heavenly support. He does not stay close to Christ or pray for victory. And what happens? He “commits iniquity” - of course. The text is clear - he will die in his iniquity, with his sin unforgiven.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A RIGHTEOUS MAN TURNS AWAY
EZEKIEL 18:26-27 "When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die (the "second death").

Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteous, he will save his life (eternally)." (Ezekiel 33:13-16)

No man can be righteous without the indwelling Holy Spirit, so this "righteous man" must be in a saving relationship with God. Yet if he turns away from righteousness he will die (eternally).

MALACHI 3:7 "Return to Me, and I will return to you, Says the LORD of hosts."

THE MESSAGES TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES
REVELATION 1:1 - 3:22 John the apostle was given a message for each of seven churches. Each message was given by Christ Himself. Each message gives a command, and each message gives a promise of reward for those who follow the command.

To Ephesus, the message is given by the One “who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands” (Rev. 2:1, 1:13,20). The command is given: “Repent and do the first works...” (Rev. 2:5). The promise: “TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES, I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God” (Rev. 2:7).

The implied message would be that whomever does NOT overcome, will NOT eat of the tree of life.

To Smyrna, the message is given by “the First and the Last, who was dead and came to life:” (Rev. 2:8). The command is given: “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life” (Rev. 2:10). The additional statement is made: “HE WHO OVERCOMES shall not be hurt by the second death” (Rev. 2:11).

The implication - that the one who is NOT faithful, and does NOT overcome, will NOT receive th crown of life, and will die the second death. The second death is the “lake of fire” (Rev. 20:6,14).

Remember that these messages were not given to unbelievers. They were given to the churches.

To Sardis, the message is given by “He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars” (Rev. 1:16,20). The command: “Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die” (Rev. 3:2). And the promise: “You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. HE WHO OVERCOMES shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels” (Rev. 3:4-5).

If Christ does not confess the name of a sinner before His Father, that sinner will be lost. His name will be blotted from the Book of Life, and he will die the second death. (Rev. 20:15). No one will enter the New Jerusalem who’s name is not found written in the Book of Life (Rev. 21:27).

To Philadelphia, the message is given by “He who is holy, He who is true, He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts, and no one opens” (Rev. 3:7, 1:11,18). The command is given to “Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown” (Rev. 3:11). The promise: “HE WHO OVERCOMES, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out not more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name” (Rev. 3:12).

The “crown” here referred to is the “crown of life.” To receive this crown is to receive eternal life. The “key of David” is the key to life - eternal life (Rev. 1:18).

To Laodicea, the message is again given by Christ, “the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God;” (Rev. 3:14). To command: “buy from Me gold,” and “white garments,” and “eye salve.” Hear my voice and open the door” (Rev. 3:18-21). The promise: “and I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:21). “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcome and sat down with My Father on His throne” (Rev. 3:21).

Anyone who refuses to open his heart to Christ will not receive eternal life.

THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE
REVELATION 21:27 "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."

LUKE 10:20 "Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven."

HEBREWS 12:23 "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant . . ."

PHILIPPIANS 4:3 "And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life."

REVELATION 12:18 "All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the beast), whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev. 17:8)

REVELATION 20:15 "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

REVELATION 22:19 " . . . and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy (Revelation) , God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

REVELATION 3:5 "He who overcomes ... I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life."

Our name is written in “the Lamb’s book of life” when we come to God in repentance and faith. We receive forgiveness. The words “blot out his name,” and “take away his part” tell us that it is possible for us to loose salvation and eternal life. Once saved - always saved is not taught here.

"LAST RITES" - LAST MINUTE SALVATION

A mafia keeps a priest close by for "emergencies." Can the mass, administered by a priest just before, or even just after death (before the soul leaves the body), gain a place in Heaven for one who committed murder after murder in life, with no thought of reform?

The thief on the cross asked for and received assurance of a place in Christ's kingdom (Luke 23:42,43). Does this mean that any one of us may ask for and receive forgiveness and salvation in the last moments of our life?

Only God knows the heart. If the person who is dying is asking for absolution just so that he/she will go to the good place instead of the bad place - then the answer is no. On the other hand, if that person is genuinely sorry for his sin, if he has truly caught a glimpse of the great love of God, if he greatly desires a relationship with God and with His Son for all eternity, then the answer is yes.

REASSURANCE
The human mind cannot live with the thought of burning torment without end. The individual seeks reassurance that, no matter what happens, no matter what he does or does not do in the future, he will never go “there.” This is why the “once saved - always saved” doctrine is so important to those who believe there is a place called “Hell.”

Other studies at this web site will explain that God will not send anyone to a place called “hell,” to be tortured for eternity. See: “The Condition of Man in Death,” and “Hell - A Future Event , Not a Present Place.” Please be assured - God does not believe in cruel or unusual punishment any more than you do.

I invite the reader of this study to read the studies “The Condition of Man in Death,” and “Hell - A Future Event , Not a Present Place.” Please be assured - God does not believe in cruel or unusual punishment any more than you do.

CONSIDER A FEW EXAMPLES OF PERSONS
WHO WERE IN A RIGHT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, AND THEN FELL AWAY.
SOME REPENTED AND WERE RESTORED AGAIN, SOME WERE NOT.
David: PSALM 51:11 "take not Thy Holy Spirit from me."

v. 12 "Restore unto me the joy of Thy salvation."
Saul: 1 SAMUEL 10:6,9 Saul was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied. He was converted.

v. 9 "God gave him another heart."
1 SAMUEL 31:1-6 Saul committed suicide rather than be captured by the enemy.
1 SAMUEL 28:6,16 The Lord refused to communicate with Saul.
v. 16 The Lord had departed from Saul.
1 SAMUEL 28:7-25 Saul consulted with the spirit medium of Endor.
1 CHRONICLES 10:13,14 "for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it: He (God) slew him."
Solomon: Was close to the Lord when he began his reign as king. Then he married many heathen wives and they turned his heart away from God and he built alters to their false gods. In his old age he returned to God but not in time to save the kingdom of Israel from the result of his influence.

Judas: He walked with Jesus for three years, and accepted him as the Messiah. Then he betrayed him.

Mary Magdalene: Saved seven times. (Mark 16:9)

The parable of the Prodigal Son: He was free to leave again if he chose. (Luke 15:11-32)

1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

THE CITIES OF REFUGE
When a murderer fled to a "city of refuge" he was safe from the "avenger of blood" only so long as he remained inside the city. (Numbers 35:26-27). If he ventured outside, the avenger could kill him. So we are safe from Satan "the destroyer" only so long as we remain in Christ our Refuge.

WHAT DOES THE SANCTUARY SYMBOLISM TELL US?

The sacrificial system pointed forward to Christ “the Lamb of God” who was sacrificed once for the sins of the whole world. Each time an Israelite sinned he could bring a lamb to the Sanctuary (later the Temple) and obtain forgiveness. He would confess his sin over the head of the Lamb, symbolically transferring that sin to the Lamb. If coming to Christ once is sufficient for all our sins- past, present, and future, then the sacrifice of one lamb - once in his life - should have provided forgiveness for life, for the Israelite. But this was not the case.

Unconfessed sin in the life of an Israelite on the Day of Atonement meant separation from God's people. So in fulfillment of this prophecy, unconfessed sin in the life of any person at the end of his/her life (or at the last Day of Atonement just before Christ returns) means that he/she will be "cut off" from God's people forever.

Christ's death on the cross won for Him the right to forgive anyone who comes to Him in faith. It covers all sins of ignorance (Lev. 5:17-19, John 9:41). Yes, Christ died once for all sin, for all time, but each time we sin knowingly we must ask for and claim that forgiveness in the name of Christ. We cannot ask in advance to be forgiven for our future sins. (This was the Roman practice of buying indulgences - forgiveness in advance, which caused Luther to lash out at the Roman Church.) Before we can be forgiven, we must hate our sin, we must be sorry for the pain we have brought to the heart of God, and to our fellow men.

IT IS A DAILY CHOICE.

LUKE 9:23 " Then He said to them all, ?If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.'"

1 CORINTHIANS 15:31 "I die daily."
ONCE SAVED - ALWAYS SAVED?
MATTHEW 18:23-35 THE PARABLE OF THE DEBTOR

Sins are forgiven and covered when confessed and forsaken. So long as the sinner remains in Christ, his past sins remain covered and forgiven. If however, this person returns to his former life without Christ, his sins, past and present will be open in the books of Heaven. He will meet the record of his entire life on judgment day.

This lesson is taught in the parable of the unmerciful servant, who after he had been forgiven his entire debt, (been saved) dealt harshly with his debtors, and the Lord then required him to pay all that had once been forgiven him."

If forgiveness were obtained by doing something to coax God into forgiving us, then it would also be true that we can do things that would cause God to change His mind.

But if forgiveness is discovered as an unchanging quality in the heart of God , then the way to lose forgiveness is to separate oneself from this forgiving God. (See the study on "The Wrath of God" at this web site.)

I can become so rebellions, so drawn by the cheap attractions of sin, that I don't care about forgiveness
I can become so self-righteous, so impressed with my good works, that I don't think I need forgiveness.
I can be so smitten by guilt that Satan convinces me to think God could never forgive such a sinner as I.
I can become absorbed in the cares of this life and become so busy that I forget about God and my relationship with Jesus.
But in each case I am the one who has changed. God has not changed.

This, of course, is the weakness of the "once saved, always saved" doctrine. It is based on the premise that once God has decided to forgive a sinner, He will never change His mind. The problem is, God does not change His mind; we do! The sin problem doesn't center in God's opinion of man, but in man's opinion of God.

God is forgiveness. He cannot be untrue to Himself. There was never a point in time when Divinity decided to forgive sinners. "For I am the Lord, I change not." (Malachi 3:6) God forgave man before he ever sinned. God forgave man before he ever existed. But man must accept that forgiveness, and renew his relationship with God, before he can receive its life giving power.

There is another deception into which many Christians fall. It is the sin of presumption. Many come to believe that God is so forgiving that He will continue to forgive them, no matter how long they continue to repeat their sin. As long as they ask for forgiveness over and over, they can sin, over and over. This deception is deadly, because they have ignored the need for repentance. David said, “If I regard sin in my heart, the Lord will not hear me” (Psalm 66:18).. Confession is not enough. Repentance is also necessary. To repent means “to turn around.” It means to stop doing what you were doing. Those who believe that confession is enough, never really plan to change. They never ask God for the power to change. They deny Christ entrance into hearts and their lives.

ROMANS 6:16 "You are the slaves of the one you obey."

If I willfully, blatantly sin then I am Satan's slave. If I say, "forgive me," but then I deny the saving power of God, to change my life, I deny God Himself. I refuse the essence of forgiveness which is healing, and I am lost.

BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED, THROUGH FAITH
WE MUST BELIEVE
If we lose faith, we lose salvation.

JOHN 20:31 ". . . but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

ACTS 16:31 "So they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.'"

MARK 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

MARK 9:23-24 "Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes." Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, "Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!"

ROMANS 11:20-21 "Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

HEBREWS 3:12-14 "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end."

HEBREWS 3:19 "So we see that they (Israel) could not enter (into Canaan) in because of unbelief."

HEBREWS 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

If you do not believe that your Heavenly Father can help you, will help you, and in fact desires very much to help you, then you will not reach out to Him. You will not pray. You will not ask, and God will not enter your mind without your permission. He will not violate your free will.

We must believe that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. We must believe that He can and will forgive our sins. We must believe that He can and will live in us, and give us power to overcome any inherited or cultivated tendency to sin. We must believe that Christ living in us can overcome. This faith opens the door to God's healing forgiveness.

If I deny the power of God to overcome every sin, I am saying that God's power in my life is insufficient. I have closed the door.

There is no need to be lost. Paul wrote, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13). "With God nothing is impossible" (Luke 1:37). "What He has promised, He is able to perform" (Romans 4:21). "You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4).

Forgiveness is more than a legal maneuver. Salvation is more than a ticket to the city with golden streets.

God can and will change your life. But you must respond. You must choose whom you will believe. If you once had faith and somehow lost that confidence in God, go and find it again. Search, read, pray until you find it - until you find Him.

And remember, faith too is promised (1Cor 12:9).

ONLY BELIEVE
ACTS 16:31 (ASV)So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." NKJV

JAMES 2:19 (ASV)You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe -- and tremble! NKJV

In what way does the belief of a child of God differ from that of a demon? Demons will not be saved in the kingdom of God - yet we read that they “believe.” Demons know who God is. They know He does exist. They know He is all powerful. They also know that they have lost the battle for this world. Christ will soon banish Satan to the pit. The belief held by the child of God goes beyond knowing what is and what will be.

First: The child of God believes certain things about the character of God. He/she believes that God is love, that God is kind, patient, and merciful.

Second: In the child of God belief leads to obedience. His/her obedience says, I believe that God is just, and holy, and good, and knows what is best for me. The child of God has surrendered, because he/she believes in the goodness of God.

2006-06-12 12:17:20 · answer #1 · answered by lewbiv 3 · 3 1

Of coarse a Christian can lose his salvation. What if that Christian commits murder or adultery?
You are not saved just because you accepted Jesus as your savior. Jesus did not save us on the cross, but redeemed us so when can have a chance to be saved. We have to to earn the grace of God. We will only know if we are saved after death.

You cannot be saved if you continue commiting serious sin. The Bible does not teach "once saved always saved." :

Romans 6:15-16 says that sin leads to death

Matthew 5:27-30 Jesus does not discharge us from the moral law! There is consequence for sinning!

Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved."

Hebrews 12:1 "Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us."

It is convinient to believe in "once saved always saved", because then you do not need love and you don't have to do anything.

2006-06-12 11:56:01 · answer #2 · answered by enigma21 3 · 1 1

This is a promise from God...

"That if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."-Romans 10:9

If you accept Jesus as your Savior and truly repent then you are saved, nothing can take it away from you. If you are truly saved then you are a new person.

You can Be saved and at the same time living like a worldly person, this is ashame many Christians do backslide, they will reap what they sow and they will have to answer for their actions.

The Bible calls for Christians to be rightious people not heathens. If all you did was incencerly do a repeat after me "sinners prayer" guess what, you are Not saved. You can only be saved if you are sencere and serious when coming to repentance.

Many people can be saved and not have a relationship with God or do what the Bible says. But God is faithful and all who follow Him must turn from their sins. You cannot take advantage of God's grace.

But If you have accepted Christ as your savior than you are and forever will be saved. Nothing that you do will change that. Unless you Never truly accepted Jesus in the first place.

In response to enigma21, You are taking the Bible out of context. The Bible never says that you can loose salvation. You forgot this verse.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can boast."-Ephesians 2:8-9

God is faithful. How can you be a Christian if you have to earn your own salvation? what kind of Bible are you reading? You are probably a catholic libral who doubts most of the Bible, and relies on works for salvation. Guess what if you don't accept Jesus as your savior no ammount of good works will save you. No ammount of bad works will un-save you. If that were so there would be no need for Jesus. Just do good to be saved and do bad to go to h-ll. That's what many non-religious people believe. I am praying for you that God may show you His faithfulness. I'm am sorry that you doubt His ability to save and I'm sorry that you doubt the Bible, and I'm sorry that you believe that you can work your way to heaven or work you way to h-ll. Because none of what you believe is biblical, that means none of what you believe is true. Jesus saves, He doesn't "re-save". May God help you see the Truth. I'm praying for you.

2006-06-12 11:51:06 · answer #3 · answered by Mr. Agappae 5 · 0 0

Many people think that by accepting the fact that Jesus died on the cross and shed his blood for us is it. Not true. Following his steps and accepting everything that he stands for is salvation. Once you are saved, nothing tests your faith. No more sins. No more. There will always be hurdles, but you face them with a head up and with morals and ethics in mind. You show progress and rarely digress. We are humans after all.
If that is not the case, then you were probably not saved to begin with. I try to live and improve every day. To tell you the truth I don't think I'm saved yet. I will do it for G--, me, and humanity. It's always a win-win situation. There is nothing to lose by being "compassionate, loving, just, humble, etc."

2006-06-12 11:46:54 · answer #4 · answered by lam_9 3 · 0 0

I beg to disagree. "Once saved, always saved" is a FALSE doctrine since it makes the new convert believe that once he/she has been baptized and indoctrinated into the 'system' or the church... then it's OKAY to DO WHATEVER he/she wants to do including transgressing The Law --simply because of that whole idea of a SLOGAN! That's all it really is. A slogan. But it has a big gaping hole in it! Sorry to burst your bubble...

Just because you have been baptized [and SAVED] does NOT automatically GUARANTY you Salvation as long as you are a breathing, walking, talking, thinking Human Being --one that has the propensity to BE A SINNER at any given time. If after you're "SAVED" then you lie, cheat, kill, lust, do harm, be greedy, etc. AGAIN[!] and THEN YOU DIE BEFORE you do your repentance and be forgiven AGAIN... Are you truly CERTAIN that you are SAVED at that point then??? I really doubt it very much.

Ponder on that for a bit. I did when I first heard the slogan...

Peace be with you!

2006-06-12 12:01:31 · answer #5 · answered by Arf Bee 6 · 2 1

At Matthew 24:13, Jesus told his listeners that the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. At 2 Peter 1:10-11, the apostle Peter urged his listeners to make their calling sure. He then said IF you keep on doing these things you will not fail. At 1 Corinthians 10:12, the apostle Paul warns: Let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall. At Revelation 2:10, Jesus told those of the congregation in Smyrna to be faithful to death and he would give them the crown of life. A consideration of just these few scriptures shows that it is quite possible to be in a saved condition and then lose out on that salvation.

We tell our children to be careful crossing the street. Why? Because it is possible for them to be hit by a car. If it were not possible for them to be hit by a car, we would not bother to warn them. For what need have they to be warned of something that is itself impossible? So it is with our salvation. If it were not possible to lose it, Jesus and the apostles would not have warned their listeners. Thus, scripturally, there is no such thing as “once saved, always saved.”

2006-06-12 12:16:20 · answer #6 · answered by Hannah J Paul 7 · 0 0

Christians can and do lose salvation. There is no such thing as once saved, always saved. Jesus told us we must follow Him and preach the gospel. If we get into sin, we lose that grace within us and first need to repent and confess our sins to Jesus and ask for forgiveness before we can be restored back to a state of grace. Jesus is our Savior but we need to be always doing His will to maintain that Divine Life of Jesus within us. He cannot reside within and share a heart with evil or sin.

2006-06-12 12:03:59 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Anointed Christians are sealed for ever to the Holy Spirit, they can Grieve the Spirit though. Saved is Cleansed in Water Baptism or the Burial & Death of Jesus the New Person is raised to New Life in Holy Spirit Baptisim you need both Baptisims. or you are not always saved you only have a clean house till it gets new inhabitants,

2006-06-12 11:41:52 · answer #8 · answered by kritikos43 5 · 0 0

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2016-09-09 00:36:09 · answer #9 · answered by marceau 4 · 0 0

That's one of those "hot" topics that get debated back and forth. Charles Stanley teaches OSAS but he admits that when he was younger he used to argue on the other side of that issue. There are a lot of verses to back up both sides and usually the argument gets down to whether or not a person can walk away from God or not or whether they have been truly born again and sealed unto redemption by the Holy Spirit. Two of the passages that really make it difficult for me to believe one way or another, are these.

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people." Hebrews 10:26-30

"For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then fall away, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8

2006-06-12 11:58:38 · answer #10 · answered by Martin S 7 · 0 0

No. But if you sin after salvation and you will because you are in the flesh. You must ask God to forgive you every time, in Jesus name. Because only through Jesus to God can you get forgiveness. This is not a license to sin though, there will be punishment for it later.

2006-06-12 11:44:02 · answer #11 · answered by laurelbush28762 4 · 0 0

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