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If you do Not, please explain after reading this why you don't get it?

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE

1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in ONE.

1 John 5:20 ( note all will not get this understanding)
And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in the Son of Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life..

2006-06-11 12:27:44 · 19 answers · asked by ? 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Is not your Body, Your Mind and Spirit, and word and actions all still your very OWN?

2006-06-11 12:28:39 · update #1

I am a Mother, Sister, Aunt, Great Aunt, but I am still all of the same person, I am a sould so I have a spirit, I have a heart...All of them are me..

2006-06-11 12:44:07 · update #2

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God the FATHER, God the SON (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. Yes. 3 persons, ONE GOD.

Just like I am my mother's daughter, brother's sister and friend's friend. I am a daughter, sister and friend all in one. Get it?

2006-06-11 12:33:28 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

No , God , Jesus and holy Ghost are not one.

This is the closest verse regarding "Trinity" in the Bible, has now been thrown out of the Bible
In the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (R.S.V.) revised by 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different co-operating denominations, this verse which is the keystone of the Christian faith of trinity has been removed as an interpolation . Its no longer there in the RS Version of the bible, because the RS Version of the bible takes back more closer to the source, approx. 200 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus Christ pbuh. The more closer to the source, the more authentic it is.

It has NOT been expunged from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible by the Muslims or by non-Christian scholars, but by 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different cooperating denominations as a fabricated insertion of the church, because this verse does not exist in the original manuscript.

GOOD NEWS BIBLE
1st Epistle of John, chapter 5
verse no 7 - There are three witnesses:
verse no. 8- the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and all three give the same testimony

REVISED STANDARD VERSION
1st Epistle of John, chapter 5
[7] And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
[8] There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.


This verse (1 John 5:7 of KJV) is now universally recognized as being a later "insertion" of the Church. All recent versions of the Bible, such as the Revised Standard Version the New Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible, the New English Bible, the Phillips Modern English Bible ...etc. have all unceremoniously expunged this verse from their pages. Why?
Don't you think it is possible that other passages in the Bible may likewise be later additions?

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THE WORD TRINITY IS NOT THERE IN BIBLE , BUTS ITS THERE IN QURAN .


In Surah Nisa chapter 4 verse 171
"Say not ‘Trinity’: desist:
It will be better for you for
Allah is one God."
[Al-Qur’an 4:171]



Quran says in Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 73
"They do blaspheme who say
Allah is one of three
In a Trinity: for there is
No god except One God.
If they desist not
From their word (of blasphemy),
Verily a grievous penalty
Will befall the blasphemers
Among them."
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SECONDLY >>>>>>>>>>>>

Body is not equal to the power of soul. But as trinity states that all three are equal in every aspects.

Trinity means that Father son and holy ghost are co-equal, co-eternal and co-substantial in nature. So this analogy does not fits

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Well, if this is the case then we need to notice that "Each person gets only one life. There is only one sun. There is only one earth.

Similarly, "We all have only two eyes. We all have only two ears. Days are split into two parts, morning and night, etc."

As we can see, following such tactics is indeed a frivolous pursuit. Such examples could be extended forever. We could say "There are four seasons in every year. There are five fingers on each hand. The Jews were only allowed by God to work for six days. There are seven days in every week, ..." does that mean that God is seven in one. or 5 in one, etc. NO!!!!
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"Say: He is God, The One and Only. "
[Quran 112:1-4]

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You gave the example of mother , sister and aunt , If mother dies, the sister and aunt also dies. Does it mean that when Jesus pbuh died on the cross, God almighty and Holy Spirit also died?

If mother has some knowledge, the same knowledge is with sister and aunt. We clearly see that God only knows the knowledge of the final hour and Jesus did not know.

God is omniscience and has the knowledge of all things There were things that God knew that Jesus didn't

In the Gospel according to Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father".

Here the knowledge of the hour is only known to the Father and not to the Son, indicating that God and Jesus (pbuh) Christ are not one and the same person. This shows that by God knowing something that Jesus didn't, they did not share the same intellect. and therfore your analogy does not fit with TRINITY.

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hope this answers

2006-06-11 19:35:25 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Regarding this Trinitarian passage(1 John 5:7), textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.

RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage

1 John 5:20 keeps calling Jesus the Son of God, what's not to understand.(2 Cor 4:4)

2006-06-11 19:47:21 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Who wrote the bible again? Where did you get your bible? Did God come down from above and say "here is my word, worship it?" Are you reading the first version of it, not translated, not coppied? THATS WY I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU! You read a book that is full of nice stories and say that it is God's word? Last time I checked, God doesnt talk about writing in his spare time. Even if everything did happen in the bible, it was written by a man (holy or not) who took events and wrote them how they were. Does that mean that they remember ever single detail? Did you know that an eye witness in court alone stands for nothing because the human mind can not possibly remember every single detail. No one is perfect, even Jesus (which it says in the bible) so what makes you think that the people who write the bible are perfect? Believe what ever makes you happy but do NOT try to force your beliefs on others. If some random pointless phrase from a book that has been translated too many times means something to you, I'm happy for you. I want everyone to find something that makes them happy. But that does NOT mean that it makes sense to everyone else.

2006-06-11 19:34:28 · answer #4 · answered by Man Coon 3 · 0 0

God is a mystery. We will never fully understand with our finite minds. Yes, i believe that there are three in one, the trinity, whatever you want to call him. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I once heard a description about water that shows three aspects. Ice, Steam, Water. All are water but in different forms. It is hard to really understand. I guess it really comes down to a matter of faith, like all things in our Christian life.

1 John 5:7 "these three (Father, Word (Jesus), Holy Spirit) are one."

2006-06-11 19:42:45 · answer #5 · answered by godsgirl 4 · 0 0

What you asked is a very difficult question answer but I will try.
There is only one God, Jesus, is Gods son and a spokesman for God, the Holy Spirit Is known as the and the Holy Spirit is also part of God, and there to be used anyway God, sees fit to use the Holy Spirit. Now All three of them make up the gods head and act as one. But they are not a trinity but a triune. Now Jesus said to all that believes in him to pray to God, in my name. Not to pray to him but again to pray to his father. Now no matter how the religious world turns things around. it is quite clear that Jesus is not God. Now as for the holy spirit have you ever seen star wars and hear them say may the force be with you. Well the holy spirit is a force all to its self but this force comes straight from god but is at the same time part of god and the holy Spirit has no will of it own but is totally subject to Gods,will.no one else has or ever will control the holy spirit other then God. But they are all parts of the God head and act as one. Now people says trinity but the holy spirit is not separate from God only a part of so there is no trinity but but just a Triune.

2006-06-11 20:21:44 · answer #6 · answered by kilroymaster 7 · 0 0

Whether or not Jesus is God has been argued about for a long time. Nearly all Christians who follow only the Bible believe Jesus is God. He is described in the Bible as being "the Word of God", "the Son of God", "the Son of Man", and even "God". Most Christians today believe and claim that Jesus was both fully God and fully man at the same time. They quote the following Bible verses when saying that Jesus is God:


This verse was written as a prophecy by the prophet Isaiah before Jesus was born.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6, ESV


The next two verses are the most famous ones that describe Jesus as God. They were written by the Apostle John in his Gospel.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God." John 1:1-3, ESV

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14, ESV


Later in the Gospel of John, Jesus says this:

"I and the Father are one." John 10:30, ESV

Then the Jews picked up stones to throw at him. And Jesus asked them why they were going to killed him. They said this:

"It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy because you, being a man, make yourself God." John 10:33


The Apostle Paul wrote the next four verses.

"Christ is God over all, blessed forever." Romans 9:5, ESV

"[We are] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13, ESV

"[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." Colossians 1:15-16, ESV

"In [Jesus] the fullness of the deity dwells bodily." Colossians 2:9, ESV


Most Christians believe that these verses say Jesus is God and they think it is a heresy to not believe Jesus is God. Most Christians believe that Jesus's death on the cross enables all people to be forgiven by God for their sins (bad things they have done) and that those who are forgiven will get to live forever with God in Heaven.

Some people follow Jesus without claiming he is God. These people generally do not follow only the Christian Bible. They follow different or additional sciptures such as the Qur'an or the Book of Mormon. Muslims consider Jesus (under the name Isa) to be the second-to-last Prophet, and Muhammad to have been the very last Prophet. They do not think either of them were God. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross or rose from the dead. They believe he ascended to Heaven without dying. Muslims always say "peace be upon him" after saying Jesus's name as a sign of respect.

Finally, many people accept Jesus as a moral example without any connection to a God. Mohandas Gandhi said "I am a Muslim, and a Hindu, and a Christian, and a Jew" although he was born a Jain. He worked hard in his life to make all of the followers of all these religions respect each other. This is how many people see Jesus too - that he tried to get Jews and Romans to make peace, and not judge women or criminals so harshly. If he died just to prove that their judgement was unfair, without being God, then, some people think that makes him even more heroic. However C.S.Lewis argued that if Jesus was not really God, then he must have been mad or evil for claiming to be Him, and clearly he was neither of those things.

2006-06-11 19:29:28 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

I do believe in God, Father Son and Holy Spirit. Today is the feast day of the Most Holy Trinity. (At least in the Catholic religion)

2006-06-11 20:04:27 · answer #8 · answered by Mamma mia 5 · 0 0

doing my own research..not just what others have told me about it has really helped clear up this question for me.
please remember that you are basing your scripts from a translation which may have been adjusted to suit the "needs" of someone else.
that said, i have found many great links and more biblical supported truth in the source i have listed.
knowing what i have so far learned, as I'm sure there is much more to see, i cannot accept a belief based on a trinity.

2006-06-11 19:35:56 · answer #9 · answered by lifedrain 4 · 0 0

Jesus, Christianity?

Use your brain for just a few seconds.

If Jesus died, he could NOT have been God.

Do Gods die? Do they?

If Jesus 'died' on Friday and 'undied' on Sunday, what else besides a few hours of superhuman suffering was sacrificed?

What's the BIG deal?

David Blaine can do that on TV.

If you accept the Jesus story, would you also accept this one?

I gave all my money to Charity last Friday.

On Sunday, all the money was returned to me.

I sacrificed for charity. True or False?

2006-06-11 21:32:21 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

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