Aren't you trying to wriggle out of what the Bible clearly says about homosexuality?

Question

"What the Bible says about anything is selective, contradictory and liable to change in interpretation. People do not believe in " what the Bible says". People believe in traditions about what the Bible says. Judeo-Christian tradition certainly is homophobic but whether the words of Jesus are homophobic is another matter. The various Christian theological traditions are so different from one another that they cannot be identical with the words of Jesus. The believer must decide whether the words of Jesus are more important than Christian traditions. Arguing out of Christian traditions is circular." (Margaret Evans)

Answer 1

Ok, here it is: The magority of guys aren't much for gay sex. So went thelogical documents are written or edited or translated (like the bible) the minorities get screwed over. Like women or gays. Personally, I really don't care what people do in their bedrooms and niether should other people. Oh, an MAINWORRY get a freakin' life and get your head out your rear. Jeez...

Answer 2

To manipulate the words of Christ in order to support gay marriage is a travesty, and pretty disgusting.

Ms. Evans' assumptions are wrong from the start, because what the bible says about anything is most certainly NOT selective, NOT contradictory, and NOT liable to change in interpretation.

Despite the lies that atheists and anti-Christians would have us believe, the bible we read today is nearly word for word the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek or Latin Texts. The only thing that changed was the language, not the meaning.

Proof of this is the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were lost for more than 2,000 years. Yet, when found and translated, they were nearly word for word with the King James version or American Standard Version or any other accepted version of scripture. None of the meanings or intentions of the scripture, and especially none of the commandments, were lost in translation. This has led archaeologists and historians to rethink the credit they would give the Jewish/early Christian oral tradition that existed at the time of Christ. It was in fact, extremely accurate.

Also, this whole idea that Christ was some sort of wussy pacifist that devoted his life to tolerance is a bunch of crap.

I'm so sick of people misinterpreting and taking scripture out of context. Ms. Evans has done this, citing the "words of Jesus" as evidence that homophobia is not okay. Christ didn't talk about homosexuals at all because in his day it was just understood and accepted that such behavior was wrong and despicable, as elsewhere in the bible proves. Should we ignore all the mentions of homosexuality made by Christ's apostle and the first missionary, Saint Paul?

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense [sic] of their error which was meet."

1Corinthians 6:9-10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

1 TIMOTHY 1:9-10 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."

Should we just ignore the words of the Apostle Paul, found here in three different books of the New Testament? I'm not even going to try and list all the times the bible talks about the evil of homosexuality within the Old Testament.

C'mon.. Margaret Evans is obviously trying to wriggle out of what the bible says about homosexuality! It's always the same old argument; that no matter what is written in the bible a person can do WHATEVER they want with WHOEVER they want, so long as they justify their actions by stating that they are victims of an Anglo-male dominated Judeo-Christian society. As long as Christianity is the enemy, nothing the bible says matters.

The M. Evans argument is for weasels.

Answer 3

That's an excellent quote. She's right. The Bible says a lot of things. If we want to "go by exactly what the Bible says," then we have to "go by" what Paul says about women keeping their heads covered, or keeping silent in the church, or not having braided hair and expensive jewelry. And I don't know why people pull out all the OT verses related to homosexuality when they don't live by any of the other hundreds of rules and laws that were for the Israelites.
It's ridiculous to think that specific, cultural norms should be applied to us today, we don't do it with many other aspects of Biblical tradition, so why do it with homosexuality?

Answer 4

Yeah, but the Bible also says slavery is okay, that you should lock your wife in the shed when she has her period, that women are forbidden to teach men-- God help our educational system if people start taking THAT seriously-- that it's a sin for you to have a credit card, that you should be killed for working on Friday night, that you should be killed for wearing blended fabric clothes (check your labels... and the elastic band in your underwear counts), that you should be killed for eating seafood (I knew Red Lobster was evil... now I can prove it!), that you should be killed for planting more than one crop next to each other, that you can't divorce (Jesus overruled the law which says you can), which means anyone who's been divorced and who has re-married guilty of adultery... which is punishable by death... that all those teenagers experimenting with sex outside of marriage should be killed, that if you're a man and you are in an accident where your genitals are mutilated God no longer loves you or wants you around even though it wasn't your fault, and so on.

It's not so much that people ignore much of what the Bible has to say because as a species we've reached a point where a lot of it no longer applies (though that's certainly true). It's more that there are large tracts of the Bible which were apparently written by a homicidal psychotic and it's a very bad idea to take the advice of anyone who advocates death for staying on the job five minutes too late when it comes to considering how to treat other people.

P.S.-- For the record, saying "I oppose gay rights" IS judging other people because you've decided they should be deprived of their rights because you don't like them. Say hi to Pat and Jerry for me!

Answer 5

That's really sad that people believe that. To me, the Bible is one of the most unchanging books ever written. God is unchanging, he's the same as he was in the beginning as he will be in the end.

Now, you can argue what the Bible says all you want. The Bible is pretty much written in black and white, and with all the new translations that are abounding today, there is little possibility of confusion about what it says.

As to homosexuality, it is the church doctrine that says that homosexuality is a sin punished by sentence in hell. Think of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. City in flames....pillars of salt...lol, sounds to me like God didn't like that too much.

I'd say for those who have their mind set on God...just stay away from it. That's one of those things that I would just rather not play with at all.

Answer 6

Very nice! Considering that many of the gospels were written a hundred or so years after Jesus picked up and boogied they would have a rather vague way of looking at him. Circular? A never ending spiral I'd say, sucking us down into the drain of unforgiveness. Mainline Christians will go solely with the word of the law and not with any mercy. Good job!

Answer 7

The bible clearly says that the only people who have the authority to judge others are those without sin

It also says that those who do judge will likewise be judged.

It appears we have quite a few saints (people without sin) on Yahoo, as well as in the US. Or, they are willing to suffer going to hell by condemning others without proper authority.

That group includes Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and anyone else who proclaims homosexuals are sinners.

I'm not a homosexual and I oppose "gay rights," but bible thumpers who demonstrate such gross ignorance of their own doctrine are worse than "gay rights" activists.

Answer 8

Christ also reminded us of the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.How then are we not to take the prohibitions against immorality to heart.Their is no contradiction.
Read the Bible you might be surprised that Margaret Evans does not trump God.

Answer 9

Some people shouldn't believe or live life from what a book says, it's the same way with many people and the DaVinci Code.

Answer 10

Some of us don't believe in the teachings of the bible. it is like asking you, "well, aren't you wriggling out of the teachings of the Koran?" what do you care about the Koran? well, that's like me and the bible. Homosexuality is fine and dandy, just like heterosexuality. Is that too difficult to understand?