Evolutionists, where did the materials and energy come from to make the big bang?

Question

Isnt it more out on the limb to believe evolution than creation?

Answer 1

Evolutionists are a branch of scientists concerned with how biology changes over time through adapting to the environment through genetic changes.

Astro physicists are concerned with the big bang.

At any rate... scientists deal with what they can observe in the physical realm. Since the Spirit is not created of matter and energy that can be measured with earthly instruments, they dispell faith in God over theory because they cannot test for his presence. As far as evolution is concerned, they believe some day they will discover the missing links and processes that lead to life and proof of evolution.

I'm a creationist and a scientist at heart.

Answer 2

Your question is really difficult to answer because it is based on such complete ignorance.

First off, the big bang has nothing to do with evolution.

As for being out on a limb, creationism is a fairy tale in which a magic supernatural being made a human man from some mud, knocked the man out ripped out one of his ribs and made a woman. This couple lived in a magic garden where all the animals were friendly. Then a talking snake persuaded Eve to eat some magic fruit, God was surprised and angry that they did (odd for an all knowing being) and kicked them out into the world as a punishment. We are all descended from these two people.

So your question implies that it is weird to believe in a scientific principle, but perfectly normal to believe in magic? That doesn't make any sense at all. Your question also assumes that there can only be two answers. It is entirely possible there is another answer we just don't know. Simply because you have not bothered to study the complex intricacies of evolution and therefore do not understand it, does not mean it is nonsense. Just because no human knows with 100% accuracy how life on Earth began does not mean that magic is the only possible explanation.

Answer 3

This has no relevance to evolutionary theory...

Nonetheless, there are two prominent positions taken on this issue. One states that the Singularity that expanded was an uncaused event (comes from acceptance of Compatibilism, or Libertarianism) and the other states that matter is eternal and appeals to the first Law of Thermodynamics.

The best answer to the question, "where did the universe come from?" is still "We don't know." Because there is no way (to date) to figure out what was happening before and during the singularities unreactive state. Without this information it is equally possible that there was an uncaused cause, matter is eternal or that it was created by a deity or some other supernatural phenomena.

EDIT: Note that the mechanics of a singularity do not allow us to apply Thermodynamic Laws at that point. Science leads us to a singularity and no further, because current Physics understanding cannot move further behind empirically. Read up on Hawking's work for the Theoretical Basis of an eternal universe.

Answer 4

This argument derives from a misunderstanding of the Second Law. If it were valid, mineral crystals and snowflakes would also be impossible, because they, too, are complex structures that form spontaneously from disordered parts. The Second Law actually states that the total entropy of a closed system (one that no energy or matter leaves or enters) cannot decrease. Entropy is a physical concept often casually described as disorder, but it differs significantly from the conversational use of the word. More important, however, the Second Law permits
parts of a system to decrease in entropy as long as other parts experience an offsetting increase. Thus, our planet as a whole can grow more complex because the sun pours heat and light onto it, and the greater entropy associated with the sun’s nuclear fusion more than rebalances the scales. Simple organisms can fuel their rise toward complexity by consuming other forms of life and nonliving materials.

Answer 5

From the implosion of the previous universe. We know gravity pulls everything together so at some point in the future it must pull all the matter in the universe into a signal point and we know this is what you need for the big bang. So No noting is more out on a limb than believing we where all created by a super being who got bored one day and said I know I'll create a universe today.

Answer 6

Two notions boldly defended by 19th-century materialists, who of course had no recourse other than to depend upon the limited and unsophisticated scientific knowledge of their day are that, the universe exists in infinite time and, because it has no beginning or end, it was not created. The other being everything in this universe is merely the result of chance and not the product of any intentional design, plan, or vision.
Both have been utterly refuted by the discoveries of 20th-century science.
The first to be laid in the grave was the notion of the universe existing in infinite time. Since the 1920s, there has been mounting evidence this cannot be true. Scientists are now certain that the universe came into being from nothingness as the result of an unimaginably huge explosion, known as the "Big Bang". In other words, the universe came into being–or rather, it was created by Allah.
The 20th century has also witnessed the demolition of the second claim of materialism: that everything in the universe is the result of chance and not design. Research conducted since the 1960s consistently demonstrates that all the physical equilibriums of the universe in general and of our world in particularly are intricately designed to make life possible. As this research deepened, it was discovered each and every one of the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology, of the fundamental forces such as gravity and electromagnetism, and of the details of the structure of atoms and the elements of the universe has been precisely tailored so that human beings may live. Scientists today call this extraordinary design the "anthropic principle". This is the principle that every detail in the universe has been carefully arranged to make human life possible.
How could it have been otherwise? As Allah indicates "We did not create heaven and earth and everything between them to no purpose. That is the opinion of those who are disbelievers." (Surah Sad: 27) it is wrong to suppose that the universe was created in vain. A philosophy so utterly flawed as materialism and systems based on it were doomed to failure from the very beginning. Creation is a fact.

http://www.creationofuniverse.com/

Answer 7

The book below shows that matter and energy cannot dwell in an eternal state. The law of thermodynamics proves that this is not possible. So it must have a beginning and science has proven that it is running down toward an end. So who or what initially wound up the clock?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0936728612/qid=1149976239

Also in the book is the odds of spontaneous creation in the primordial soup. The odds came to 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power. If anything were to occur in 1 in 10 to the 50th power, it's considered an impossibility and any occurance would be considered a miracle.

Answer 8

How do we even know that there was a beginning, that the universe hasn't always existed? If that is the case it may never actually "end".

We don't know. At this point we don't know about the before, during, or immediately (i.e. very very very short time scale) after the big bang. All we have are hypotheses. But, given the postulate that energy cannot be created or destroyed it is reasonable to say that the "stuff" of the universe has always existed in some form or another.

Answer 9

1. Evolution and the Big Bang are unrelated,
2. Evolution has a mass of evidence, e.g. fossil record, genetic research, carbon dating ect. Creationism has hardly any.
3. Is there actually anything wrong with saying I don't know what was before the big bang. It is interesting to speculate but I'm not aware of how a lack of knowledge about something can prove anything.

Answer 10

We don't know. Just because there is an unknown doesn't mean we have to make up an explanation, which is exactly what most religions do. Humans didn't know what caused lightning and thunder so they made up an explanation: god must be doing it. Science has proved that theory wrong. I'm going to accept that there is something I don't know instead of making up an answer.

There are probably theories as to where the matter that created the big bang came from. You will probably get better answers if you ask in the physics category.