The highest level of freedom you can ever have is to choose in which prison you'd like to stay in. Do u agree

Question

Thanx everybody for the answers. Actualy, this statement is something i read on an article and i totaly agree with it and i wanted to know you opinions about it.

And also think the so called free will that we have is nothing more than an ilusion eagleucsteve and also think it's not a negative thinking at all. It's only a true statement that people should realize so that they could break that ilusion and face the truth.

ladrhiana I dont get your point, i think you misunderstood my question and i dont think you know me so well to conclude so many things about me (i'm not american, i study and work i dont have and i dont want an ipod, i dont even know what exactly is an ipod) but it's ok.

Hey! i thought you were supposed to talk (write) to me! not fight between you!
lol just kidding... i liked to read your discussion.. very interesting =)

Answer 1

Yes, I agree. Yet, the fact that you have realized how very much you are "imprisoned", by your job, your family, the expectations of others, by your own self-doubts, by the limitations you place upon yourself, or others place upon you, THIS realization is itself the very seed which can grow within you and produce real freedom. It is not a negative thought, at all. It is a simple and quite profound understanding you have come to in this. Because, as few people ever see, our so-called "free-will" is probably our greatest illusion. Will can be developed, but it is not
the natural inheritance of being born human. Good question.

sincerely, UCSteve

Answer 2

No, that's completely unsatisfying.

*** I don't see your point at all ladhriana
"quit whining get a JOB"

You call prison "club med" in comparison to "real" work.
So you're committed to work being MORE prison than prison...?

I don't care if she's raping my mother in a jelly pool of rotten placenta. Your ad hominems don't adress "freedom" conceptually at all. And when you do talk, you actually affirm what she's saying. Which makes me wonder why you choose to have the stressful job of REAL "responsibility" you have. Totally odd.


This picture of freedom is bunk: "can you go outside when you want? have sex at all? smoke a cigarette if you want to. can you vote?"

State-forced labor for sex, cigarettes, and "voting" for 2 different kinds of the same fascism is delusion. If freedom is a relative concept, and the harshness of prisons are a myth (lol you're mad), and freedom is "desirable" then why don't you choose prison? Because you can't vote or have male-female sex. Wow.

Or is it the Ipod and the sneakers? Does that all add up to "freedom"?

Lamest excuses for life I've ever heard.

**** hahaha
So I'm a "teenybopper" as well? Again with this pointless ageism...
I NEVER said a damn thing about my personal occupation or life.
AND IT'S BESIDES THE POINT, you don't get it.
You're accusing me of not knowing my own "freedom"
And I could easily say the same for you given YOUR reasoning
but that would be tu quoque. What we're trying to look at is the concept of "freedom" and somehow you're amazingly indignant about describing it -- Probably because you really don't know "what" it is. But you offer examples, and while you ridicule the questioner needlessly those examples conform to the perspective of the questioner. So now it is with me? heh...
(I asked 20 questions in 10 minutes in an ironic way but you missed the message LOL)

Allright you offer a new example, it's fkn buried tho. That restrictions which allow for the family, the household, your life ARE equal to a form of liberation, since this order provides for morality and that which is important to you. So 'freedom" is found through a form, the particular form you endorse. It would follow that other forms lack in degreee and kind morality and life-affirming importance. Is this not right?

Now somehow, you want to say that your particular form of freedom is the BEST possible, and that ALL should agree it is the most moral and important. So when you say 'Get a JOB, whiner" you're being parental and chastising because you know your existence is better than one in doubt. This is a kind of bandwagon argument. And I'm sure you realize that. Because it's not obvious how to estalish YOUR morality and importance over someone else. And by appealing to ignorance, that is "you've never lived in Cuba, China or a prison" you conclude that this is the Best form for freedom. But never experiencing the communinistic or incarceral restrictions yourself, how is it that you "know" so well? IF we're willing to grant you that 'restrictions' or a form of life offers "freedom" as morality and important things, is not the prison also a form of life with it's own code?

Which is to say, you are answering affirmitavely "YES" to the question. And through many fallacies try to distance yourself from the questioner, but this ruse just ignores your committment to it. And your frustration of still being what you despise: a child.

*** haha.. sigh. Keep trying.

Answer 3

okay, all theological angst aside, i disagree.

can you go outside when you want? have sex at all? smoke a cigarette if you want to. can you vote? there are more things you could in america than almost any other country on this planet. these "prisons" that you speak of are metaphorical at best and way over exaggerated at that. you want to know prison? go live in cuba, columbia, china, vietnam. go live somewhere that freedom is still a dream that can't come true. you think you have it so rough! what? did mommy not get you the $600.00 ipod you wanted? or those new $150.00 sneakers? quit whining
get a JOB

you get no credit for depth here, i've read your other questions.

"I'm feeling jealous, lonely, anxious, sad, angry and tired. Can you help me? I know you cant. I just wanted to tell this to someone i don't know, once i don't have anyone else to say that."
"Isn't fear the worst feeling of all?"

kiddo, you have all the depth of a puddle....

get a job and join the real world. you wanna see prison? get a 40+ hour a week job with overtime and REAL responsibility. your idea current idea of prison will seem like club med in comparison

alright here below me,
you live in the free-est country in the world, you have yet to experience facism, to you it's just a philosophical concept. you're a child stumbling in the dark demanding credit for maturity when you know NOTHING.
i don't choose prison, because i enjoy living in the morality that allows me my basic freedoms and the right to have my family, and raise my son in peace (LOL just call me conformist)
i've been saying that if life is a prison to her, then what kind of prison will true responsibility and accountability be when she's confronted with it.......
this teenie bopper angst is pathetic. get over it.... either get bust living or get busy dying. but get off your butt and do something with yourself. two choices, either live within the perameters set by the status quo, or whatever you percieve freedom to be, persue it. once you start living life instead of just whining about it, you'll find that most basic moralities jive well with the "confines" of the code of ethics and standards set by the society we live in.

my examples of going outside and voting are things that real "prisoners" don't get to do. felons loose their right to vote permanently.
the ipod and the sneakers are examples of people not getting their own way in this world, especially when they have the erronious preconcieved notion that their parents and families owe them these totally unnecessary ammenities. as teens usually do.
and to you below me here, you are a fine one to talk about lame.... read through your Q&A's you ask the lamest questions lacking in form and substance "when did you stop beating your wife" (?!?!?) come on ..... your answers are overthought to the point of babbling incoherently at people. you read too much philosophy and live not enough of it to have a practically rooted formulated opinion based on anything other than your cheesy chiche store-bought philosophy
"get a job" is not a point to be 'gotten' if you and all your philoso-babble can't understand "get a job" that speaks volumes about you

Answer 4

Let me quote The Bard on this one.
From Hamlet:
"
HAMLET

Then is doomsday near: but your news is not true.
Let me question more in particular: what have you,
my good friends, deserved at the hands of fortune,
that she sends you to prison hither?

GUILDENSTERN

Prison, my lord!

HAMLET

Denmark's a prison.

ROSENCRANTZ

Then is the world one.

HAMLET

A goodly one; in which there are many confines,
wards and dungeons, Denmark being one o' the worst.

ROSENCRANTZ

We think not so, my lord.

HAMLET

Why, then, 'tis none to you; for there is nothing
either good or bad, but thinking makes it so: to me
it is a prison.
"

So to summarize, yes it is a prison if you chose to view it that way.

Answer 5

I understand where you're coming from....but it's still all rather foggy and confusing...yes, I guess I agree.
If that's true, than is the second highest level of freedom choosing how you die?

Answer 6

Sort of, but that is a very negative outlook. Everything in life has a price, but life can be wonderful, too.

Answer 7

unless you accept that you are the prison, the prison guard, and the prisoner all at the same time.

Answer 8

no, you must be set free, no one needs to inprison
him or herself. the only freedom you will ever have
is thru jesus christ.