When people cast aside bible standards,do they really gain freedom?

Question

Gal.6:7-9
Rom.6:16,23

please read the scriptures

Answer 1

If we should cast aside the Bible standards, there could not be any freedom; there would be only fear, and we would make ourselves prisoners.

If we throw out the Bible, then we should probably throw out those things that are supported by it.

Without the Bible standards, we wouldn't have prisons, or court systems to judge criminals. It would be permissible to steal and rape and murder. The Bible also supports governmental control, so we would have to get rid of that too.

This world would be much worse than it is now.

We have governments and laws as a result of people who chose to believe and follow God.

Lets keep the Bible standards. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Mat 7:12) Imagine a world where every one was so self absorbed that there were no random acts of kindness, and everyone was rude.

Those who think that the Bible is a useless piece of fiction haven't taken the time or made the effort to think through it very carefully.

We should thank God that he has given us written instructions to prevent us from destroying ourselves faster than we already are.

Answer 2

I'll say this: freedom is knowing yourself. People use the Bible (and other religions and religious texts) as a guide to know themselves and to have purpose. Other people learn about and know themselves without religion, and define a purpose for themselves instead of following a God-driven purpose laid out by the church.

There are people who follow the Bible who are not free, because the Bible teaches them to be what they are not and they don't know themselves. There are people who don't have a Bible as a guide, who could really use a little more structure to gain their knowledge, and they are not free either.

So yes, it is possible to be free without the Bible, if you are strong enough to face yourself and know yourself alone, but this type of freedom is not something that everyone accomplishes, religious or not.

I also have to say, in defense of the world and people in general, to the above answer, that rape, theft and murder have been wrong since way before the Bible, and if there was no Bible people would still operate on social mores dictating appropriate behavior; also, the court system would still be in place (at least in America).

Answer 3

I think when bible standards are written about a time that has no bearing on reality now and written by people in there attempt to explain god and with human agendas in mind its possible that some bible standards need to be cast aside to find the underlying truth involved.

Answer 4

Not at all. When one casts aside bible standards they are jumping in, head first, into sin.

Christianity teaches that God's holy Torah is abolished, tossed aside and they now live under a 'grace'. But what kind of freedom is that? The 'freedom' to sin? Now they no longer live according to God's holy Torah, they are now allowed to sin in what ever way they 'feel' is right to them? And they are forgiven?

The truth of the matter of what Paul speaks about in his letters is this - that God's holy Torah is good and perfect, and what the Jews are freed from is the reforms and laws of the Pharisees.

The answer is in Romans 3:21. And due to faulty translators who do not understand Jewish culture or the context of what Paul is saying (by which he support what Yeshua taught) - it is to be translated this way...

Rom 3:21
But now, apart from the reforms [of the Pharisees], the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Torah and the Prophets

The true freedom Paul was speaking of was the freedom from the unnecessary rules and reforms of the Pharisees. This was the very same goal of Yeshua when he described the Pharisees and their tradtions in Matthew 23...

Mat 23:2-
saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds [Takanot, reforms]; for they say things and do not do them. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.

The reforms, tradtions and customs of the Pharisees do not offer grace. They do not offer forgiveness. They do not give salvation. When Yeshua spoke of the truth letting one free, it was from only one sorce - God's Torah. He spoke out against the Pharisees for their reforms and traditions.

If he didn't come to abolish God's Torah (Mat 5:17) and he spoke out against the Takanot [reforms] of the Pharisees (Mat 23) -
then it stands to reason that Paul took up this same stand when he talks about the "law" (reforms) being witnessed against by the "Law" (Torah) and the Prophets.

There is only one freedom - the freedom of living according to God's Torah. It frees one from men's reforms, tradtions, and even sin.

Answer 5

For those that do not know those 2 texts

Galatians 5:7-9 "7 Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out."

Romans 6:16 " Do YOU not know that if YOU keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, YOU are slaves of him because YOU obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? "

Romans 6:23 " For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."
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The Question

When people cast aside bible standards,do they really gain freedom?
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The answer

NO

True freedom comes from following Bible standards.

Applying Bible standards in or lives saves marriages, saves money, protects us from a lot of modern diseases, etc.

Bible standards set us free.

Galatians 5:1 " For such freedom Christ set us free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery"

John 8:31,32 "And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: "If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free"

Answer 6

Yes. They gain freedom from mental viruses and are no longer shackled to the ideals of ignorant ancient goat herders.

Answer 7

Superficial freedom -- not a freedom in the eternal sense of the word

Answer 8

Because there are no standards when it comes to Christianity. How many times have you heard a Christian say "I will pray for you", when in the Bible it says "thou shalt not judge." If your praying for someone cause they have done harm to themselves or someone else that means you are judging them on what they have done.

Answer 9

Define freedom.

Answer 10

those verses have nothing to do with casting aside biblical standards.