Jesus dying for our sins?

Question

Adam and Eve were born pure until they ate from the tree of knowledge and became sinful resulting in the rest of humans being born with sin. Why would god then allow his son to die for our sins if we were sinful and continue to be sinful? It seems a pointless and purposeless exercise that has not eradicated the sin. What does the crucification of christ prove?

Answer 1

I think one has to understand that the Bible is NOT to be taken literally, by which I mean that much of it is a 'poetic' or 'metaphorical' representation of truths which would actually be less well understood if they were written prosaically (if indeed they could be). This style of writing is less acceptable today than it was when the Bible (and the Q'ran and many other religious texts) were written.

The story of Adam and Eve is a fable ... a story which was intended to illustrate a truth that Man was created by God but 'fell away' from Him and has done so ever since.

'Sin' is simply the state of not being at one with God, of not doing things His way. There are at least two ways of looking at this, depending on what your personal view of God (or the Creator or the Pervading Spirit) is. You can either take the simplistic view that God is a being apart from us, his somehow imperfect children, who has given us rules to live by and that when we don't go by the rules, then we have sinned, or you can take a more 'involved' view that God is an integral part of his creation (which is a living process, not a one off!) and so is, and always has been. part of each of us, as humans, as He/She/It is intimately part of everything in the universe.

If one favours the first idea of God (which is the one that I grew up with and was taught me by my mother and the Church and everything that I read at the time), then the Crucifixion is a marvellous and beautiful mystery which captures the emotions but actually makes little logical sense. That is, in effect, what you are saying in the notes below the question.

On the other hand, the second concept of God as an integral part of the fabric of our being and that of everyting else around us, makes the symbol of the Crucifixion, as a way of 'forgiving' or absolving us (as individuals) from sin, somewhat more logical. It was, perhaps, necessary at that point in time to bring people back from the 'sin' of thinking of God as a separate entity and to show us that God is both divine and part of humanity and that we are both human and divine.

I think that this is only a very small part of the explanation that some people need in order to understand why us humans are so highly regarded by God. In trying to feel for the answer to this question I have several times been knocked out by a feeling of love and I can't guarantee that many people will understand what I am trying to say. I apologise to any of you who think I am mad.

Answer 2

You head your question as Jesus dying for our sins and then you ask what does the crucifixion of Christ prove.
The name of "Jesus" is used more than 600 times in the four Gospel while the name of "Christ" is used around 48 times, and that makes it a ratio of about 12 to 1 in favour of Jesus.
We can therefore safely say that the four Gospels are about the crucifixion of Jesus and the name of Jesus is not to be found in the Old Testament of the Bible, nor is the name of Jesus a fulfilment of the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 which is confirmed in Matthew 1:22,23 to be Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14 also commands that the mother name the child, yet no Gospel reports the mother approving of the name "Jesus" nor of her having named the child with a name that has nothing to do with a name that is not of the Hebrew.
Original sin or having the innocent child bear the sins of his parents is not a belief that is found among the people of the Messiah.
The greatest commandment in the Bible is, "The Lord our God is one", which makes the belief that this One God can have a son merely another pagan teaching.
Isaiah 7:14 makes no mention of the child having a father nor of the mother having a husband, and both Adam and Eve were without father and without mother.
Trinitheism is therefore polytheism and the mystery becomes trickery and blasphemy rather than a belief of the monotheistic people.
When the Bible says that you must pluck out the eye or cut off the hand that scandalize you it is telling you that none can save you but that you have to save yourself by your own effort and sacrifice and that none can die for your sins.
The Bible casts serious doubt on the name of Jesus as applied to the Christ just as it confirms that the Christ was not crucified but two thieves were crucified under the banner of Jesus King of the Jews as ordered by Pontius Pilate, "what I have written I have written".
The word "crucified" is used in the King James Version of the four Gospels a total of 38 times while in the Todays English Version by the American Bible Society "crucified" appears only 2 times and only with reference to the two thieves who were crucified (Matthew 27:34, Mark 15:32), "Nailed to the cross" is used the other 36 times and this makes sense because crucifixion ends, according to the Bible, when the flesh has been eaten off the corpse of the victims by the scavengers, so that crucifed means certain death, and death is by asphyxia after the two legs are broken and the victim left to hang.
Few readers of the Bible actually see what the Bible is really saying.

Answer 3

Before Jesus got here within the flesh, we're instructed that sinners who repented WERE stored by means of religion within the replacement slayed animal sacrifices mentioned by means of God. And like the ones of at present, they needed to quit sinning (that is what repenting approach). The exact atonement, nevertheless, took location with ideal timing whilst Jesus grew to be the perfect sacrifice those animals prefigured. So earlier than Jesus got here, the persons appeared FORWARD to the pass even as the ones after, appear BACK to the atonement at the pass. Therefore, in some way, you are correct: it's the equal for individuals who repent in their sins. For people who do not, there is not any sacrifice or heaven. It fairly would not have mattered whilst God might have selected to ship Jesus to earth however being gracious as He is, He gave mankind all of the prophecies had to aid guy respect the real Messiah and turn out, as soon as once more, that God continues His guarantees concerning salvation and judgments. He could not have made those any clearer.

Answer 4

The death of Christ proves God's perfect love for us. Jesus being God, also makes it clear that if there 'were' other ways to God other than through Christ, then God would have been ruthless to allow His Son to go through such an awful sacrifice for man. However, Jesus, is The Way, The Truth, & The Life, and no one can come to The Father but through Him. - John 14:6

Answer 5

Jesus made Himself lower than angels to come to this earth and show us that we are "doing it wrong". Read His parables again and understand that every time He spoke, He spoke of the difference between the law and the heart. His continual message was "stop thinking that the law will get you into heaven, for if your heart is bad, who cares if you followed every letter of the law? God sure doesn't".

Then He died and rose again to show us that death is not the end, that it's just a step to the next life, where He resides with God. That gives us a reason to not doubt His word.

If we hadn't taken the law over the Spirit and sinned, He wouldn't have had to do that.

Answer 6

...God loved us enough to give those who want another chance, to one day be with God in heaven. Since we are all born human, we continue to sin. Jesus died on the cross for all sins (ours included). The crucifixion of Christ not only showed us that he loved us, but that he could conquer death because he arose from the grave three days later.

Answer 7

God loves us and thats why he had Jesus die for all of us. He loves us even though we sin. We get baptized because we either want to cleanse our sins and/or become an actual member ,although if we go to church, of the church and god. The death meant that he loved us and im not sure it meant that if he didnt make Jesus die for us then we wouldnt be here today, but thats another story.

Answer 8

Yeah the death for sins is pretty pointless. Especially since the only sin that could condemn you after this point would be not believing in Jesus but since he die for your sins he should have died for this sin as well. Yeah it is pretty pointless.

Answer 9

love. God loves us so much He wants us back in fellowship with Him. Adam and eve walked and talked with God. He made us to have a relationship with Him. sin destroyers that relationship. to get it back, He had to die as He is the only sinless one.
as we accept that death, our sins are forgiven, no ones else. we all have to choose Jesus or not.

Answer 10

As far as i understand it, God sacrificed his son so that we could sin and be forgiven.The death of Jesus was the price for the sins we commit everyday.