Atheists & Christians, do you think both of you groups made enough investigation whether there is God or not?

Question

Now it seems every person is obstinate about his beliefs and none seem to have made enough investigation about the issue of the existence of God?

Christians, what prove do you have that there is a God without to quote scriptures of the bible? Those who do not believe can also reason with scripture.Quoting of scripture will not necessarily convince people to give up their unbelief in God.

Atheists,say what makes you think there is no God without to talk about books you read or what any evolution book says? Not to be rude but some of you base your aguement on what they taught you at school and not what you yourself have discovered.

What does everyone say about the fact that there is so much unfairness on earth? What causes many people to kill, lie, not forgive, war etc.?

What does everyone say about the scientific calculations that suggest that there is no God? Dinosaurs, age of earth etc?

Please both groups must not be rude.We want the TRUTH and not foolish innuendos!

Answer 1

Don't believe in go? Ok, go ahead & prove (I mean really prove) that he doesn't exist.

Answer 2

I am not sure what I believe to tell you the truth. I know I don't believe in a "God" but I'm not so sure if the Big Bang Theory is all that believable. I am kind of in a searching mode.

Religion was created so we could make up a reason why we are here. There are many religions and to say that Christianity is right makes you wrong.

I'm not saying I am against christians but i just don't believe what they believe. I think that's it is great that they believe in something. I would just rather think for myself and make my own choices.

People are the lowest animal. People have emotions and emotions go hay-wire most of the time and that is why people kill and cause other destruction. There is WAY too much hate in the world. If you were to put a German Shepard and Labrador retriever in a cage together they would most likely get along and play around with each other. As for humans, if you were to put and American and Iraqi together they would most likely end up tearing each other's heads off.

As for dinosaurs, yes there are bones and evidence explaining that they once ruled the earth. But, how come it doesn't say anything about them in the bible?

Answer 3

I formed my own conclusions that there is no god at a very early age. Geneticist Dean Hamer believes that faith may exist on a genetic level. If he is right (and I don't know if he is) about this so-called "god gene," I seem to lack it entirely.

In any event I do not believe that there has been a thorough enough investigation by the faithful or the atheists as to whether or not there is a god. However, as an atheist, if I want to disprove the existence of god, I have to look everywhere in the universe, under every stone, up every tree, and in everyone's pockets. This is a huge task.

One of the faithful need only provide one piece of proof that he is there and we will all be satisfied.

Now, which is easier?

Answer 4

Well, I think you make a good point. The forum’s a little too short to discuss it deeply here, but I believe a lot of people come into things with their frame of mind already established.

So they’re not really listening to another point of view, they are simply defending their own (or even attacking the other) while pretending to discuss things.

That’s not really great for understanding each other or learning something new ourselves.

I think we need to start realizing that, while some people do “buy into” ideas that are not their own because they find life to be more secure that way, there are people of many different beliefs who arrive at their views in (at least partly) a legitimate way and should be at least treated with respect in how we converse, even if they arrived at a different viewpoint than our own.

I can see why an atheist, stuck on empiricism and needing concrete evidence (and seeing potential causes of the world besides a religious one) might say there is no God, especially if they have never experienced anything beyond the physical world.

I can also see that some people experience intangible things and behave with conviction and change in ways that they would not (nor want to) if they were not spiritual people. To me, this is “data” that suggests there could be more than meets the physical eye.

As far as arguments for either side goes, they can’t be summarized easily here due to the sheer magnitude of them. But I do agree with your point that obstinacy and regurgitated thinking occurs on both sides of the argument over religion. I see weak, already refuted arguments first made decades ago still being passed around as “fresh” ideas by both sides.

The inner attitude determines everything. Are we here to learn, are we open to learning, or are we here to attack and defend?

Answer 5

U seek more than just what we as Christians can give you or better said , you seem to have everything figured out.

I am studing theology. Which is religions studies. I have seen both worlds and still my believe is so strong in the lord.

I live my life 4 every word that he says.

U have to understand other religions to be able to understand god.
4 every message in live there is a track record of history.

Every believe unique but only God leads the righteous path we must follow.

Love your enemy's as you love your neighbor.

Understand a reason before you try to judge for only God is Allowed for he is worthy.

Maybe in a way the answer you so seem to seek is already right in front of you.

Answer 6

The point of faith is that we don't know. If we knew then we wouldn't believe. There are things that happen that cannot be explained. I heard of someone who went into hospital having had a serious accident which left her spinal cord broken. That means guaranteed paralysis. She walked out of hospital. God is the only explanation for that. As for science, I believe that the bible is a representation of what the scientists are now discovering, so both can be right. Unfairness on earth is to do with God giving us free will. He doesn't want us to be robots. Natural disasters and illness are things we have to deal with because we're human.

Answer 7

I think there is no god because the term 'god' is not generally even defined in a comprehensible manner, and to the extent it is comprehensible, there is no credible evidence for such a being.

Further, I have studied ancient history and know the details of how the modern concept of god evolved from solar theology and early astronomy.

This is like asking someone who knows the history of Santa to explain why they don't believe in Santa.

Old earth, big bang, evolution, etc. - none of these disprove the existence of gods, they simply provide fewer gaps for people to point at and attribute to magic.

Answer 8

i dont think you touch on the real issues of why god cant exist. i'd suggest going to my blog myspace.com/fattychunksjason because i think i start a perfectly comprehensive essay on why god cant exist. but do i think i've learned enough to say there is no god? i would say yes, of course. but to say there IS a god, to say something is SUPERnatural, you are in fact saying that you have considered all possible NATURAL explanations and they are all insufficient, thus the onhly conclusion is something taht is BEYOND the natural (SUPERnatural). so it doesnt take a genius to obviously see that if something is beyond the natural world, we're not going to know if it exists or not, and if god was a smart one, why would he create standards that dismiss him as even a possibility? but i encourage you to keep on reading, and understand that faith was the product of people in ancient times that couldnt refute what isaid here. people were not dumb back then, but they were coming out of a very gullible time in history. speaking of history, understand one thing to and this is what many apologists ignore: There have been 2,850 deities worshiped by man. each and every one of them, save 1, that have been replaced with science and our natural understanding of the world. this last god has simply been placed in the farthest unreachables of the human intellect. gods were on mount olympus, until someone climbed it. jesus rose into the sky where heaven was, until we could fly. god's residence was in the outer space, until we could explore it. now he's taken up his home in an entirely different dimension. and here we are today, having dismissed all other gods, i'm curious what theists will do once we fill more and more gaps in our knowledge...

Answer 9

I am an atheist and was not taught this way at all. My parents are christians and tried to raise me in this manner. The burden of proof unfortunatly falls on the religious people (whatever their religion may be; jews, christians, muslims, david karesh followers, etc.) and not with the atheist. There is no proof and has never been any proof to the existance of any super-natural power or god like individual or entity. There is proof though of evolution through the discovery and advancement of science. See hundreds and thousands of science journals and research papers to prove this through science based on our own human knowldege. How many books have proven religon besides their single one book? I have never seen god or jesus or anyone else and neither has anyone slse besides in their own mind which brings me to another point, everyone has their own image of 'god' and they all differ from everyone elses which proves also that this 'god' only exists within your own mind and you mold this fictional figure to the way you way them to be.

Answer 10

The popular media often portrays the creation vs. evolution debate as science vs. religion, with creation being religious and evolution being scientific. The fact is neither model of origins has been established beyond a reasonable doubt (otherwise, the theory of evolution wouldn't be called the "theory" of evolution). Whether we like to admit it or not, those who subscribe to the theory of evolution do so by faith. And while the recognition of design in biology may have theological implications, it is not based upon religious premise - it's based upon empirical observation and logic.

Answer 11

I am a spiritual atheist. I suspect SOME of my atheist fellows may spank my butt for saying this:

NEITHER side have proven their case. And for now, I highly doubt either side will for a very long time.

I think the whole case of whether "god" exists or does not exist is highly a personal issue, up to the individual to decide. The "evidence" that we claim to have are mostly subjective. Each person will find their own "personal evidence" that proves or disproves "god" to them personally. Not everyone will agree on the same "evidence". I take my personal evidence mostly from science......however science is NOT perfect, NOR is science trying to "disprove god" either. Science just focuses on studying what is around us, to heck with whether "god" exists or not. :-)

This, again, is just ONE atheist's take.