Question about ID/Creationsim in Science class?

Question

The definition of Intelligent Design is "The assertion or belief that physical and biological systems observed in the universe result from purposeful design by an intelligent being rather than from chance or undirected natural processes."

The definition of Creationism is "the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed."

The definition for Science is "systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation." OR "Any of the branches of natural or physical science."


Now these definitions are right from dictionary. These definitions show that ID+Creationism are in *NO* way natural or involved by natural forces.

So by definition they are *NOT* scientific.

So how can anyone reasonably say they should be taught in science class?

Isn't that like saying we should teach Algebra in English Literature?

Goethe> If all science is theory....then all religion+philosophy is idle speculation.
Besides you seem to miss that science deals with the natural, physical world...not supernatural, higher level beings, just like German class doesn't teach Spanish

So you are basically espousing we should have one class called "Learning" were we teach all subjects of every single manner at all once with no categorization.

Questioner> Many many times I have seen one of your 3 answers that you cut+paste. Each time referring to the same sources. Each time never responding to the basic questions being asked. Creationism is not science, ID is not science by the very definitions.

So if you insist we teach non-science in science class you *MUST* also insist that atheist ideas be taught in church....if you do not insist on this then you are a raving hypocrite

Answer 1

Religion is very important to the world, and students should have a fundamental understanding of it. But it should be taught in a sociology class, certainly not in a science class. This is for exactly the reasons you mentioned above - it's simply not science.

Answer 2

Here is a brief overview of the scientific case for ID:
http://www.arn.org/docs/positivecasefordesign.pdf

Here is one for creationism:
http://www.trueorigin.org/creatheory.asp

And for those who put so much faith in peer-review, check this out:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2640&program=CSC%20-%20Scientific%20Research%20and%20Scholarship%20-%20Science

From what I've seen, I have to agree with T. Wallace:
"A major reason why evolutionist arguments can sound so persuasive is because they often combine assertive dogma with intimidating, dismissive ridicule towards anyone who dares to disagree with them. Evolutionists wrongly believe that their views are validated by persuasive presentations invoking scientific terminology and allusions to a presumed monopoly of scientific knowledge and understanding on their part. But they haven’t come close to demonstrating evolutionism to be more than an ever-changing theory with a highly questionable and unscientific basis. (The situation isn’t helped by poor science education generally. Even advanced college biology students often understand little more than the dogma of evolutionary theory, and few have the time [or the guts] to question its scientific validity.)"

Answer 3

Actually, teaching Algebra in an English class would be more useful - and vice versa. For one thing it might help in the proper presentation of mathematical problems.

On the other hand, as Dr. Stenger has pointed out, creationism is not some alternate way of talking about aspects of science: it is in fact anti-scientific. So teaching ID in a science class is really more akin to promoting babble in an English class, or, more closely, promoting embezzlement in a law class.

Answer 4

No. All Science is theory. Scientists have opened this up as Darwinism looks for more and more far-flung cousins to fill in the missing links. Creationism and Intelligent Design do AS GOOD a job explaining the origin of the universe as does the Big Bang theory, or discredited chaos/string theory (whoops).

Or bloodletting...cutting edge science a while back...with experiments and proof to back up claims!!!

Answer 5

you're exactly right. most schools are not allowed to teach creationism and intelligent design in the school. (exceptions; christian and private schools) it is illegal for them to teach that in a public school.

Answer 6

On a recent PBS special it was shown that "Intelligent Design" actually IS a euphemism for Creationism. They actually showed the document that proved it. Case closed - ID is Creationism, and that belongs in Sunday school - not science class.