socialized healthcare, would you still vote yes if....?

Question

theres too many people waiting in line for healtcare and the gov't starts to ration it out?

if you are old, you probably wont be put too high up on the list. especially if you are retired, you are not bringing anything into the society so why would the gov't help you live longer?

would people with terminal illnesses be given treatment at all?

if you are not a young, fit person with many more years to live and contribute, you will not be given healthcare right away, if at all. it might sound okay now, but what about in 20-30 years when you are old and need help and medicine and the gov't says, no, we're going to give all the healthcare we would give to you to someone else who is younger and can contribute more to society. would you feel you made the wrong decision when your gov't tells you you mean nothing to them any longer?

what about children? if you have a child born with defects and will never mature or be able to get a job, would kind of care could a child who will never become anything get?

rigo: how many poor people do you invite into your house to eat your food and sleep in your bed? why do major corporations have to charitably give their services to people who dont have their own resources (i.e. money, good jobs) if you have a crappy job with no pay, its for a reason. why is it the corporations responsibility to care for those who made horrible decisions and put themselves in the situation that they are? why tell them that because your life sucks, we'll pick up the slack for you. dont you think we should make people live with the consequences of their actions? or do you think that criminals are just victims as well? (sorry went of on a tangents there, lol)

Answer 1

Sounds like Canada's wonderful socialized health care. It's worked sooo well that the northern border states have a flood of Canadians trying to get health care here. When the govt. tries to regulate or run, the program always turns out a mess and a failure. Look at welfare, medicare. The poor do not suffer from lack of care under our current system. They have the option of medicare, free clinics, when they go to the e.r they can not be sent away.
Even when we had no insurance and had children, I was still against socialized health care. It is not the governments responsibility, neither is education. All that will get accomplished is raising taxes and more national debt.
The only two examples of socialized health care that have worked are the Netherlands and Germany.

Answer 2

Personally, I would vote no if what you posted came true. but I live with what you call a socialised health care system, and the elderly get treatment based on need and those with terminal illnesses get treated. I should know, I am involved in giving healthcare to these people. I live in the UK and work in the NHS (our universal health care system). It has problems, but not as many as the US healthcare system has. Despite spending much more per head of population than other developed countries, the US has worse health outcomes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care#Economics Life expectancy and infant mortality figures in the US are worse than in other developed countries, despite more money being spent (and wasted) in the USA.

In the UK there are waiting lists for routine problems. Problems that can not wait are treated as emergencies. Also, in the UK, people can also have private health care.

I can understand Americans being proud of living in the richest and most powerful country in the world. What I can not understand is why Americans settle for an expensive healthcare system where babies die that would have a better chance of life if born in another developed country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2167865,00.html

Just for the record, I met someone this week who has a sister in the USA. The sister went bankrupt because her insurance company would not fund treatment for surgery that she needed. Now, with no health cover, she has probable breast cancer. How long is she going to wait for treatment with no money? A damm sight longer than she would in the UK. Think about it.

Answer 3

yes your so right, iam an elderly and have a hard time getting what i need now but what is so sad i put into society and i worked for over 35 years and i have to fight for everything i need, i been asking for a mobilized wheelchair but the Doctors said no and why i dont know, i pay my medicare i have paid my taxes like everyone else and you know when we work we suport someone else to, the taxes they take out of our money where does it all go, i dont know what it will be in 20 years but i think much much worse then now i feel bad for the onces that look forward to the furure and i hope every child will get help when she/he grows up and i hope desame for everyone else, you have a good question, i think when your getting old you do get less care then when your young, we eldelys are just in the way so they say but they forget that we do was young once and done our share, i hope you dont have to go thru this and desame for your children, i will pray if you dont mind for a better furture for all, God Bless and Happy New Year.iam german and we have socialized Healthcare, i vote yes

Answer 4

Look at the Netherlands Health care system, they have an amazing system that is run by private companies. The only thing is everyone is entitled to the lowest tier of insurance and can get it from any insurer for the same very reasonable price. All facilities have to accept the insurance and all people must have it.
Those who desire a higher tier must pay for it, but the basic tier covers basic health care and terminal illnesses. They have a great track record for health, much better then the US.

Answer 5

Well I'm from Canada and after watching the Sicko movie I would never give another thought to moving to the US. I was considering it previously just to get rid of winter....lol. Atleast under the current system.
Not to say that Sicko is the be all of end all, but I am totally for socialized health care.
Think of it this way...with socialized police force and fire fighters...'oh your house is too old, let it burn' or 'you are too old, let you burn' or 'you don't deserve criminal protection since you are a,b,c,d' ....it's not like that, and it shouldn't be for health care either. That's not what you should be voting for if you're voting for socialized/universal health care, cuz that's not what it is!

As for waiting lines in Canada, things that are preventable like hip/knee surgery, etc, because people aren't taking preventative health care steps is where you will find the longest line ups. But in an emergency, you move to the top of the 'list', or right into the OR. It's not a perfect system, we don't have universal dental or perscription, but there is coverage for low income, and companies do offer plans for these too.

Bottom line, universal means universal! Period. End of story. No if's, and's or but's involved. That's kinda the point.

Sure you can argue the bit pieces but I think 'Sicko' says it best.

Answer 6

Socialized healthcare is a TERRIBLE idea. I'm in the military, and we are the perfect experiment for this idea. We all get healthcare from doctors that are not at all profit driven, which makes them totally indifferent to the quality of care we receive. They get paid the same either way, so they do the bare minimum. It's really pathetic. The few times I've had the opportunity to take my children to civilian doctors, they have been infinite times better. It sucks that the only reason for that is money, but it's a fact that I'm willing to accept.

Answer 7

I'm on the Army's health care plan. As a recipient of that health care, I have not had the opportunity to see a dentist in over two years. That is why I reject socialized medicine.

I think a lot of people just assume that we'll get the same benefits congress does with their health care. But I don't seem them taking care of the peasants nearly as well as they coddle the royalty.

Answer 8

I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not how socialized health care works in Canada, for example. Who is setting a system up like this? Because this is not socialized healthcare.

Answer 9

Simple answer, if you have good and affordable health care coverage you will be against it. If you have no health care it makes not difference to you because, just as now, you will receive medical treatment if/when needed for any health condition. The only difference is those with good and affordable health care coverage are being cheated. We are paying insurance premiums, co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses to health care providers and hospitals who have to charge large fees to cover the expenses of treating the un-insured. We also pay taxes to support such socialized heath care programs as Medicaid any other federal/.state subsidized health care systems. Now you tell me who's getting screwed?

Answer 10

It sure is a better option than the mess Washington keeps dealing out right now.
The rich do well and the poor suffer. A "socialized"system is a huge overhaul and the billions of dollars going into the pockets of provifders will prevent it from ever happening in the USA.