armenian massacres?

Question

dear armenians can you please explain why the greatest british historian on the middle east prof bernard lewis said this " The reality of the Armenian genocide results from nothing more than the imagination of the Armenian people."

theres no 100% prove that they was a genocide...which is true theres no smoking gun!so this is what lewis is saying

if theres no evidence isn't that just tough ...you couldn't go to court and still convict someone with no evidence.and you have also got to consider if theres no evidence maybe thry was no genocide

all am saying is that in a civilized system regardless of your own personal feelings ,evidence determines convictions and genocide requires a high standard of prove.Obviously they have no irrefutable prove or they would have taken the matter to international court like the hague years ago....I most compare the armenian masscres to the killings that occured during indian partition ....it would be unfair and a complete lie in that case to totally blame one side .

Answer 1

Dead simple really. The British want the Turks in the EU, not next week or next year, but today. Of course this is not going to happen and by constantly opening old wounds this just serves the purpose of keeping the Turks out of the EU.

Meanwhile the real villains of the piece, the Islamist Extremists, continue to gain ground in Turkie.

I mean, who gives a damn? Forget the past and start making a better future.

All this reminds me of those people who are still fighting the battles of the past. It does no one any good.

Wake up, get real and join us in the world of today and tomorrow.

History is a foreign place.

Answer 2

That is not what he said. He said that there was no proof that it was a deliberate policy by the government, but that the number of a million dead Armenians is very likely true. That the Armenians accusation that it had been a deliberate attempt to erase their people was 'nothing more than the imagination of the Armenian people'. So the name genocide and its comparison with the holocaust by the Armenians was wrong and absurd because it was not deliberate.

You also forgot to mention that he was condemned by the Tribunal de Grande Instance of Paris on the 21st june 1995 for that, the judges decided that he deliberately ignored all the proofs that went against his theory, thus failing in his job as an historian.

Please verify your sources before you put up such question. Or maybe you did it deliberately like Lewis did, refusing everything that went against your belief?

Answer 3

Thats the opinion of one person, if indeed it is his opinion!

The fact is that around 1 million Armenians were massacred, ethnically cleansed, and driven into iraq, syria etc.

I am an Assyrian, we too were victms of the same genocide, we lost 65% of our entire population, women, children, old people, massacred by the turkish army and their (at the time) kurdish allies.

Pontic Greeks also suffered horribly, and were slaughtered en masse.

Are the modern Turks so weak and insecure that they cannot admit the wrongs of the past?

PS; The massacres were made worse because the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks had lived in Turkey before the Turks even EXISTED! And it was their country more than it was the Turks country.

Also Lewis is an Arabist and Islamophone, he always favours the arabs and islamic people in is writings.

Answer 4

It is claimed that the Ottoman Turks massacred approx one million Armenians in 1915. Many descendants of Armenian immigrants in America, Canada and Great Britain are certain that this happened. Of course, the Ottoman Empire is long gone. Turkey, the successor to the Ottoman Empire, claims that the Armenian massacre never happened. Unlike Nazi Germany, whose own documentation of the Jewish holocaust proved their criminal behaviour, no records exist from the Ottoman empire regarding the Armenian massacres.

Unbiased historians (which I hope I am) look at all possible information to prove or disprove historical events. In the absence of clear documentation we have to make an informed decision based on a preponderance of the evidence.

The present Armenian population of Turkey is very small and many Armenians live in areas of the world other than Turkey. There is also an Armenian Republic in the Caucasus which was formerly part of the USSR. Most ethnic Armenians are Christians, which would, of course, make them unpopular in a predominantly Muslim society.

Personally, I think there may have been a concerted effort by the Ottoman Empire to destroy the Armenians but I would be hard-pressed to prove it due to the lack of authenticated historical documentation.

Answer 5

First, Lady GOP is perfectly correct on this.
Secondly, B.Lewis is heavily Pro-Israel.

He is in fact the only real mainstream denier of genocide and coincidentely this brings no hackles in the U.S. Turkey is also an Israeli ally extenuating matters further.

Elie Wiesel, the AJC, and the Yad Vashem withdrew from a conference on genocide in Tel Aviv because the sponsors included a few sessions on the Armenian case. At Israel's behest the US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Memorial and Jewish lobbyists in Congress even blocked a day of rememberance for the massacres.

Another reason the Armenian massacres are not identified as a genocide it is plain and simply because if they were granted that "honor" then they could demand reperations. This could lead to other genocides the world over doing the same. The U.S. would look even more like hypocrites. (considering under Clinton they pushed the Swiss to pay back the Jews billions when they had done exactly the same as the Swiss). Needless to say how to wiggle out of the numerous attrocities America has been involved in since its inception. (There is currently a $100 billion lawsuit by an umbrella of Native tribes demanding payment for 115 years of passed due funds).

There is a heavy Turkish contingency who claim they the Armenians were just victims of wars like many others. Maybe. The reason the Turkish govt will not admit it as "genocide" is because they dont want to do what Germany had to in reperations. It is all about money.

B. Lewis bows to his masters. He even states that they were killed en masse but this isn't a genocide. Maybe his definition for genocide then is different ( My guess it has to happen to Jews).

Answer 6

This looks like Turkish propaganda.
The Genocide of the Armenians is too well documented from several sources too be denied.

Answer 7

The Jewish Professor has made one thing very clear in his writings and that is he would not declare anything to any race a genocide because he does not want the Holocaust to fall short of achieving the most credit as being the absolute worse Genocide in the history of the world.

He states the Armenians were certainly massacred by the Ottoman Turks but fails to give it Genocide status.

Answer 8

i've got additionally heard memories... i've got heard of strories approximately women burrying themselves in sand to keep away from rape.... of bloody waters that marching Armenians have been forbidden to drink out of... of starvation... and dehydration... of capturing element sparkling.... to stabbing, to each thing in between. Kurds? the Turks have oppressed Kurds for years! they did no longer even understand their existence till a whilst in the past. Turks does no longer care sufficient approximately kurds to do something! a pair of issues to undergo in innovations..... human beings do no longer initiate rebelling against the government.for no reason. IF armenians rebelled, it exchange into as a results of fact the Ottoman empire exchange into unjust to them.... Nationalism exchange into on the upward thrust for the time of that element... the belief of united states of america exchange into newly coming up after empires began crumbling.... The Turks have been transforming into a transforming into style of nationalistic... needed to cleanse the empire of non-turks Armenians posed the biggest threat. The ottoman empire exchange into crumbling and that they knew Armenia might desire to be the subsequent to chop up off.... a pair had already completed so -April 24, they took the intellectuals... to restrict any sort of making plans/ revolting -they then took the ladies and childrens... maximum adult adult males have been killed prompt. -It exchange right into a criminal offense fro Armenians to very own weapons -compelled deportation without food or water = genocide. they did no longer purely haaappppeeeenn to die. -Open information? its forbidden to communicate with reference to the genocide in Turkey in accordance to Article 301... please so some on line study, self sustaining of what your father and mother and grandparents have taught you. i've got completed my study and experience confident approximately my opinion. I propose you all do the comparable

Answer 9

Well that is true! but the reason why we started to immigrate to other countires was because turkey was trying to wanish armenians off the face of the planet!

The "Young Turks" decided in one night to exterminate all armenians and take our land! thats why we started to immigrate to other countires because that was the only thing that we could have done! I am sure that Mr. Bernard Lewis would flee his countire if he saw bunch of military killing everything in their bath, Women, Men, Children, Unborn babies! and i would like him not to immigrate! so thats the reason! We had a reason to flee! the genocide has nothing to do with Armenians immigrateing.

Answer 10

No.

What is it about Eastern Europeans and Western Asians that make it hard for them to admit to genocidal episodes in history?

You guys are as bad as the Persians...

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. believed in the Armenian Massacre and if he did, as liberal as he is, it has to be true.