i can prove god exists,, mathematically (part II)?

Question

thx for the comments in "part I" question,,
My defence --
everyone who read it,,got confused abt what i compared on,,and u have focused on what i compared with!
i compared things on their 'abstract' property!

i can prove santa doesn't exist through my method!
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Santa's absence won't question the existence of the universe!
but absense of god,,or say absense of mathematics would definately do!
another example-
do dragons exists?
dragons and mathematics r both abstracts!
but absense of dragon's won't question the existence of universe,,unlike that of absense of mathematics would surely do!
i studied on this,,,and it is not that easy to refute my idea!
remember,,i m comparing abstracts to abstracts,,
all having same causes and effects!mostly,,compare an abstract with mathematics,,if they follow same conditions as mathematics do, they exists!
if u say mathematics is not abstract,,what is "complex numbers"? mathematics is stronger than beliefs,,(continued)...

so if i could prove something by mathematics,,it can also be proven by beliefs,,
and as for that arguement that universe exists,,even though physics doesn't exists,,is not convincing!
before newton discover "Gravity",,it still existed! even if no on in the world knew physics,,physics did exist,,and the gravity,,the sun and planet earth existed!
if u r saying physics did not exist,,then stars and planets didn't exist! so universe wouldn't have been existing,,

and as far as my reasoning is concerned,,it surely has more logic in it,,than ur (whoever said that) reasoning,,
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i was really shocked when ppl argued "god is not abstract",,if he is not abstract,,he is physical,,(then he definately exist),,if he's not physical he's abstract,,
and pls don't say u need belief only,, (there are many ways to reach tokyo from london,,u can't go through one route and say that's the only one).
any more doubt? feel free to express,,
i would love to debate more on this!!

Answer 1

I agree with you dear

Answer 2

Actually the lack of god does not hurt the existence of the universe. Just like Santa, the Grinch, unicorns fairies and Ogres, god is nothing more than a fictional character invented to explain a world that is too complicated to understand. Humans long to have an answer and until we can prove the truth we usually make one up. 1. The earth is flat. No sorry we proved that wrong. 2. The sun goes around the earth. Ah, no again we proved it wrong. You are just like all those other people in the past who sought to explain the unexplainable and were later proven wrong. Your assumption that mathematics is abstract is wrong. I can visually place 1 orange next to another orange and conclude that their are 2 oranges. The abstract in mathematics comes in because we don't actually need physical items to explain their relationship, we can use our imagination. Imagination is exactly what we used to create god.

Answer 3

Your argument is that: if it was not the case that there existed [an abstract idea that is necessary for the existence of the universe], then it would not be the case that the universe existed. Very well, that is valid. The argument that god is an abstract idea that is necessary for the existence of the universe is invalid. Therefore this reasoning is illogical and unsound. No Q.E.D.

Answer 4

mathematics has strengthened your belief just as testing the bolts that hold a chair together strengthen one's resolve that the chair will not collapse when one sits on it.

those who don't need to test the chair before they sit down find it curious that you would go through all the trouble. I however think it is valient of you to try to prove what can not be proven.

At some point though, one grows weary of the leeches in the world and must sit down or perish. God bless. To rest is faith.

Answer 5

God exists because people need something to help to justify the things they do , even to justify their own very existance. I pity people like that, they spend their whole lives preaching about god and their purpose in life because they cannot face the simple truth, there is no god in any form, there is no reason to why we exist, the only thing that seperates us from any other animal is our brains.
Simply because your Gods absense would question your idea of the existance of the universe does not prove that he exists.

Answer 6

I didn't read that. I read your first paragraph, enough for me thanks.
I believe God exists. But Jesus told parables to the people to explain complex ideas.
#1 factual
for example, saying God gives you a good feeling doesn't begin to explain this story.
#2 fictional
say you were a fireman and you were at a burning building. You hear a mother's cry for her baby boy, and consequently, you run in and save said baby.
Imagine a feeling more satisfying than that.
#3 - truth.
A man came to my school to tell a story. In a nutshell, he ran away from home at 15, joined gangs, did raids on weed farms, got into fights and didn't get caught.
he got charged with an assalt th at he didn't commit and got send to jail for 20 years.
his first thought was to try and kill himself. he almost cracked his head open then had a thought. He had nothing to lose by trying it, as he had nothing anyway.
He phoned his mother and asked her to bring him a book. Not just a book, the bible is more than a book. He didn't know where to start, so opened it to the back. 3 steps to salvation.
1. Admit you have sinned.
2. Accept Jesus into your heart.
3. Share this with others.
When he accepted Jesus into his heart, it was better than any feeling from any drug, and trust me - he tried them all.
which statement would you say explains it better? (1)factual, (2)fictional illustration or (3)truthful illustration??

Answer 7

"Santa's absence won't question the existence of the universe!
but absense of god,,or say absense of mathematics would definately do!" This is a very questionable proposition.

Please check Formula Logic carefully.

Sorry to said that: your arguement is totally not mathematical. Please restudy formal logics.

Answer 8

On second thought, I think thats enough mathematics from you for a while. Just get a good night's sleep and the effects will slowly wear off.

Answer 9

Why must you must you prove all these through mathemetical formulas? Santa does NOT exist because IF he did, MILLIONS of people would have already seen him. NOT all things can be proven with mathematical formulas.

Answer 10

Cool !
God exists
I believe in god
And now what?

I feel that my life continuous being the same...

john

Answer 11

this is cool and all...but im still wanting to see what mathmatical formula you have. Dont talk, prove.