Should US Citizens BAN the new National I.D. Cards...since Australia just did?

Question

The National I.D. cards proposed for next year have ALL of your personal information, not just citations, but medical, banking, s.s. numbers, family history, etc.

Police, officials and merchants can see ALL on demand...but so will anyone who can get a $25 scanner. What can U.S. Citizens do to stop this Fascist idea that opposes U.S. Constitutional rights?

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071224-australias-controversial-national-id-program-hits-the-dumpster.html

Australians were unhappy about being forced to carry a unique ID card merely for the purpose of interacting with basic human and health services. The defeat of John Howard in the Australian polls was the last gasp of the Access Card program, which was killed off as one of the very first acts of the new Labor government, lead by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

Australia's battle against the Access Card system echoes the active opposition in America to the REAL ID act. Although the two plans differ substantially in scope and implementation, critics of both argued against them on the same PRIVACY- and CIVIL LIBERTIES-oriented grounds.

Why are U.S. citizens like sheep?

Fascism - definition
A totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life.

Constitutional
Amendment IV
(Pivacy of the Person and Possessions)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

REAL I.D. ACT FACTS FROM DHS SITE:

DHS has set-up a procedure in the NPRM for States to obtain extensions until December 31, 2009. DHS expects States that have been granted an extension to begin issuing compliant licenses no later than January 1, 2010, in most cases with a roll-out of licenses as they expire.


What is the Machine Readable Technology specified in the NPRM?

The regulations propose the use of the 2-D barcode already used by 46 jurisdictions (45 States and the District of Columbia). DHS leans towards encrypting the data on the barcode as a privacy protection and requests comments on how to proceed given operational considerations.


Will REAL ID driver’s licenses include RFID cards?

The NPRM does not specify the use of RFID cards as a minimum standard. States may independently choose to implement an RFID solution, in addition to the standard 2-D barcode, to meet their constituent’s needs.

Answer 1

The idea of national I.D. cards is contradictive to what the United States is supposed to be. A Government (ours at least) is SUPPOSED to protect it's citizens from what national I.D. card will do. Government is SUPPOSED to protect our privacy. National I.D. cards are the frogs being slowly bolied. I wish more people thought like you. Every year the United States moves closer and closer to a police state. Although still far from it, I deffinently see it happening some day.

Answer 2

I get your point but a form of national ID is already going in place. Yes some states are fighting it but it center more on money than anything else. The states are argueing that it would be expensive so in fighting it they are fighting for federal funds. The states that do not comply by a certain date will not recieve federal funds of all sorts and licenses will not be valid for air travel. Some of the states that are fighting it have a large illegal population. The politicians know it will happen eventually but want to appleal to the legal hispanic voters so they can say "hey, I tried". How it works is all documents and numbers have to be verified so there will be a federal database. Soon enough all of the states will share information w. all of the others. And already if the goverment wants to find you or know everything they can. They can access bank records, credit card info, phone bills, mortgage or renting records, employment records and whatnot. So in effect there will already be a national ID.

Answer 3

Loosen up the tinfoil hat.

There are NO new National ID Cards coming in in the US at all. It's pure "black helicopter" fear mongering.

The "Real ID Act" merely sets out new uniform national standards for STATE issued drivers licenses - and almost all States drivers licenses already meet the Real IS standards anyway.

NO State has any plan to put any medical or banking information, family history, or any of the other myth's that are floating around, onto the bar codes or RFID chips that they are allowed to implement under Real ID.

The bar code wouldn't be capable of carrying that much info anyway, and nor would 'current' RFID chips, although that might change in the future.

There's only two sets of people *legitimately* upset about Real ID. Criminals who currently have fake IDs, and supporters of illegal immigrants who're upset that it will be harder for criminal aliens to get genuine US Govt ID's.

There's also, of course, all the conspiracy freaks who've read scare stories on anti-government web sites and don't know what they're talking about.

Richard
Richard

Answer 4

I am VERY opposed to REALID. I don't like the invasion of privacy and I think it is unfair to make the states pay for the federal governments inability to enforce employer immigration sanctions. I'd rather know that an alien is who he says he is and that he can drive rather than to know whether his visa has expired. DMV people are not Immigration Officers and the system is bound to fail to accomplish anything but to inconvenience honest people (citizen and alien). Does anyone think a terrorist is going to say - oh gee, I don't have a valid drivers license, so I can't plant a car-bomb? Does anyone think a dishonest person can't find someone to forge one of 50 different documents well-enough to fool the average employer? If you can make a chip or a barcode, you can forge it.

That being said. We have a national ID number since 1939 - your social security number. Many here are too young to remember, but from 1940 until 1973 a man aged 18-35 could be arrested for failing to have his draft card with him.
Also - almost every country in the world has a national ID card.

So if we are going to have a national ID, lets make a forge-resistant Social Security card rather than make the states tow the federal line.

Answer 5

I'm opposed to the real ID act for two reasons not listed. 1. It's an unfunded mandate that the States will have to bear the cost of, and pass along to you, when you get a new driver's license. 2. It' actually will make it EASIER for the bad guys to forge an ID, because it will be the same standard for all 50 states, and the standards proposed so far have gaping security holes.

Answer 6

PLEASE do some actual research. NOTHING remotely close to what you claim has been proposed in the US. The REAL ID act sets uniform standards for STATE issued drivers licenses. While SOME of the information you mention would be required to GET a license, NONE would actually be ON the license. ALL of the information you list is ALREADY available to someone that knows where to look on-line.

Answer 7

I think the appropiation of National ID Cards would be a step closer to the Mark of the Beast being a very real thing...

Answer 8

I think they should because after the Real ID the gov. has plans to make the ID's microchip implants which EVERYONE will have 2 have

Answer 9

ABSOLUTELY, YES TIMES INFINITY. Anyone who supports this is an idiot , control freak, politician, or needs to just get their own so the govt can track him/her that much better.

Answer 10

I have yet to hear of any bill passing requiring any US citizen of carrying a national ID.