i can prove that god exist,,,mathematically!?

Question

if u don't believe god,,,then lets say
god is a thought,,an idea,,
a thought or an idea is an abstract,,
mathematics is also an abstract,,
so u don't believe in mathematics,,

if u believe in mathematics, u believe in god,
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mathematics is an abstract,
" 1+ 1 = 2 " holds and is the truth
god is an abstract,
" creation and evolution " holds and is the truth

mathematics exists,,
god exists,,
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without mathematics, there wouldn't have been any physics,,
(as mathematics is the language of physics)
no physics -> no universe -> nothing exists

similarly, without god -> no universe -> nothing exists
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i believe in mathematics, i believe in god
i love mathematics, i love god,

my defence with respect to aida's answer-->

lizards are reptiles(real),,dragons are abstracts,
u can't compare them
^_^
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comparison between dragons and mathematics under 'abstracts' also won't fit,,coz lack of dragons won't hurt the existence of universe,,unlike that to the lack of god would !!!
so dragon's don't exist!
^_^
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Answer 1

Your flaws:
To say God is a thought, an idea is to say you've defined God who is undefinable.
Just because one thing is abstract and another thing is abstract, doesn't mean that I believe both abstractions.
Mathematics have other qualities than being an abstraction so does "God"
Calling God an abstract diminishes Him.
Creation and evolution are iffy. What if it's all just a dream? Good theories, but i don't think they can be proven.
The universe can exist without physics. Physics is a mathmatical science devised by men, or even "discovered" by men, if you want, but you can pick up earth and hold it in your hand. somepeople even think they can touch the stars, but that's another subject.
It is true that without God there would not have been a universe as I believe God created the universe.
An aweful thought, where does evil fit into that? I guess that leads to the free will question.

One thing I've learned is that it is not possible to know God with our earthly limitations. It requires faith, not mathematics. To know God, you have to look with your heart. In many ways to accept God is to accept, on faith, a lot of unknowns. The "proof" of my faith will be known to me in the next life. I imagine we'll all be in for some surprises.

As soon as you say something about God, you've diminished Him. That's why the only way to know God is in the Stillness of the Dance. A paradox.

You are a cool head, Dude. Keep on keeping on.
LindaLou

Answer 2

Actually the lack of god does not hurt the existence of the universe. Just like Santa, the Grinch, unicorns fairies and Ogres, god is nothing more than a fictional character invented to explain a world that is too complicated to understand. Humans long to have an answer and until we can prove the truth we usually make one up.

1. The earth is flat. No sorry we proved that wrong.
2. The sun goes around the earth. Ah, no again we proved it wrong.

You are just like all those other people in the past who sought to explain the unexplainable and were later proven wrong. Your assumption that mathematics is abstract is wrong. I can visually place 1 orange next to another orange and conclude that their are 2 oranges. The abstract in mathematics comes in because we don't actually need physical items to explain their relationship, we can use our imagination. Imagination is exactly what we used to create god.

Answer 3

I'm not even sure I follow this line of reasoning. It sure doesn't follow any kind of formal proof. Restated, I think it would go something like this:

A has property X
instance B of A displays property Y
C has property X
completely unrelated statement D displays property Y
A has property Z
thus C has property Z

??? Complete nonsense, from a logical point of view.

...

I just wanted to lambaste one of the answers for a minute:

" Matter simply cannot have always existed, because time cannot have always existed. This is why time cannot be eternal; because that means it has no beginning and no end.
If time had no beginning, and goes back infinitely, then we couldn't be here right now. Because an infinite amount of time can't pass."

BAM. Stop right there.

Time doesn't "pass", time is a dimension. We measure the effects of time, we don't measure time itself (and the amount of science it would take to prove this to you is beyond the scope of this answer). We are finite, and we move within the dimension of time.

"So we can logically determine that time is finite. Since time is finite it can't be created in the dimension of time."

Once again, we have people engaging in almost-too-clever amounts of sophistry, all hinging upon how one defines this term and that term. It is half-frustrating, half-pathetic how clever people think they are.

Could there have always been a yesterday? Yes. Absolutely.
Could matter have always existed? Yes. Absolutely.

We simply don't know.

What we do know is that we can trace everything back to the first few picoseconds of an unimaginably violent explosion approximately 13 billion years ago with a reasonable degree of precision. But there is no way to extrapolate, with current technology, the state of existence before that event.

So there might've, and there might not've. Doesn't prove or disprove God, certainly doesn't change the scientific evidence that *disproves* christian creationism and "intelligent design".


Saul


EDIT:

I'm giving the answer before mine (the two birds one stone rant) a thumbs down not because I'm an atheist and for some reason have my mind 'closed' but because there is soooo much evidence that contradicts a literal reading of the Old Testament biblical story of Adam and Eve that I simply can't rehash the same topic over and over.

I've done my research. Go read Joseph Campbell, or read your Jung, or your comparative religious studies. Study the religious, social, historical contexts of the Old Testament, the early Semitic people, the Jewish culture they became. Jump ahead to the modern day and study the psychology of fundamentalism. Then go back and look at the hard science of it. Study the archaeology, and discover the origins of the Semitic people and their faith (hint: why is YHWH a mountain god? why is his anger described as 'running down a hill'?). Who did they live nearby? How did they survive? How does this relate to the attitude of those who wrote the early biblical texts? Look at the biology, the evidence in the DNA, the taxonomic differences between different races of humans, the evidence that we can derive about where and when we came from. The genetic evidence points to a human matriarch (genetic Eve) but not until a million years back or so. What is there to not understand?

Humans and snakes, for godssakes! What kinda of bullcrap will you swallow next?

Whether God exists is completely irrelevant at this point - there was no literal Adam-and-Eve-talking-to-a-snake-with-an-apple-giving-birth-to-the-whole-human-race. Sorry. Get over it! But the best part is that you *don't* have to believe me. Go back and do the research - it's all there. In the meantime....

... I mean, c'mon. Humans and snakes? *head shaking*

Saul

Answer 4

Unfortunately your first premise has fallacies and is therefore unusable. First you assume God to be abstract, you must prove this. Second, saying that both God and Math are abstract is a comparison, not a proof, and therefore follows the fallacy "does not follow."

Your second attempt it even wilder. You assume God's abstractness, and you assume creation and evolution hold...and you compare the firm 1+1 to the not necessarily absolute creation and evolution.

It is possible to have a universe without physics as we know them.

And "similarly, without god -> no universe -> nothing exists" is teh worst argument because you assume the premise in the conclution. In your argument to prove God exists, you assume there must be a God to have a universe. You might as well say: "God exists" and call that your entire proof.

However, there is no reason not to have faith and believe in all of these things.

Answer 5

theres a similar blog about how god exists by laws of matter and time...i think you'll like it, though i only get so much of it :) but its good thinking on your part

Some fellow Christians may be a little upset at people for trying to prove God. They'll say that God has to be discovered, not proven.
Before I get to the point I advise you all, theists and atheists, to check out these videos posted by my friend VenomFangX. He is a very brilliant non-denominational Christian and I recommend that you check out his other videos and check out the comments.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TevkzHQhh0


Now, if those videos didn't make sense to you I doubt that this blog will do any better. Read it anyway.

Okay, here it goes: The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Mass energy equivalence states that all mass has energy.
This relationship can be expressed with the formula E=mc2 (energy = the mass multiplied by the speed of light squared)
If there is no God matter either came out of nothing. However, that doesn't make sense.
Or, they may say it existed eternally.
This premise is false because we exist in the dimensions of time and space.
Time can be seen as a measurement of change. That means as long as matter exists, time exists.
That's why in comic book, when someone has the ability to "freeze time" they're actually just freezing matter and energy no change = no time.
Matter simply cannot have always existed, because time cannot have always existed.
This is why time cannot be eternal; because that means it has no beginning and no end.
If time had no beginning, and goes back infinitely, then we couldn't be here right now. Just like how Shawn, aka VenomFangX said.
Because an infinite amount of time can't pass.
So we can logically determine that time is finite.
Since time is finite it can't be created in the dimension of time.

Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee…(1King 8:27)
The Bible tells us God exists outside of this dimension.
If God exists outside of time, then he may be eternal and doesn't need a beginning and end or a creator.

If you enjoyed my blog then please send it to whomever. If anyone wants to refute this I'd love to hear your comments.

If you think matter came into existence from nothing than you aren't a rational thinker.
And if you still think matter always existed, ask yourself this-
Could there have always been a yesterday?

Answer 6

Sorry, but much as I'd like to see a proof, especially a mathematical one, that God exists, I don't think this is it. The logic in your first section seem faulty--lik e reasoning this way:

Dragons are reptiles (OR Centaurs are mammals)
Lizards are reptiles (Horses are mammals)
Dragons (centaurs) don't exist
Therefore lizards (horses) don't exist.

Keep trying! I wish you success!

Answer 7

That is the dumbest argument for god I have heard in a long time. You could use that for literally anything that has an abstract concept somewhere in it. For example:

Goblins are an abstract. "Halloween and candy" are true. Therefore, goblins exist.

Answer 8

"God" The creator of creation, of Creationists and Evolutionists alike. Just as he made field-mice and rivers and Scotsmen and hens, He made us all for each other, and gave us the means to think for our sens, and it matters not whether you believe me, or I don't believe you, because he is far too busy to be bothering about who believes who. We are simply parasites on his braw birlin baw. One day he will blaw and that will be the end of it awe. JB

Answer 9

lmao. wow. u use "transitive property of equality" in the context of identity to connect math and god? wow... listen, dude. you can't just say that god exists just because math and god are both abstract, and since math exists... god exists. NO. sooooo god has two legs. santa has two legs. does santa exist?

Answer 10

well,good fer you(lot).

Just dont forget;The stunning proof that goes by the name, The Incompleteness Proof; As discovered by that very famous and able mathematician called kurt Godel.

No other words are neccessary,here.