I can prove God exists with using secular worldly scientific principles can you prove this logic wrong?

Question

Energy can niether be created nor destroyed. A principle of physics if that is true then there has to be a God, because where did that energy come from? Ok now look at the odds of our exsistance, our position in the universe, space, and timing.
The odds are .000000000000000000000000 x.000000000nth to infinity to 1 that we even exsit at all. So something must have created us. Then how can I prove God spoke us into exsistance with words. Well what are we made of? Organs, cells, organelles, chromosomes, atoms break that down and you have protons, neutrons, and electrons. Now break that down you have energy break energy down you just have a wavelength of energy now what is sound a wavelength of energy. In the Bible God said Let there be Light and there was Light. God spoke words and made it happen and we are living proof of that. So everything we think in this life why not rethink the truth that was written several thousand years ago in the Bible? Can you prove it wrong?

Answer 1

Hell, I agree with you.Amen.We know the truth.Even if a large majority refuse to open their eyes up and see it.It's all just too perfect to be a fluke, and even an idiot should realise that.

Answer 2

Others have made these arguments before. The problem is, you still don't have proof. All you've done is point out areas where there is uncertainty - where we don't know what happened. It could be God, it could be something else. You have to be able to prove that the ONLY POSSIBLE cause of these events is an omnipotent creator deity, and you haven't done that.

Scientists don't know what happened at Time Zero - that tiny split-second when all the matter in the universe came into being. They can make very sensible hypotheses for everything that comes after Time Zero, but not that moment. Maybe God made all that matter at that time. Maybe something else made all the matter. The fact that we don't have a definite explanation doesn't prove the existence of God, it merely leaves room for the possibility. It is one possibility among thousands, some of which haven't even been imagined yet.

The miniscule odds that we could come to exist are rendered moot by the fact that we do exist. The universe could have evolved in many different directions. This is the way it went. Maybe God was involved, maybe not. Can you prove that there is no other solution?

So no one has to prove you wrong, because you haven't proven yourself right. I'm not trying to undermine your faith or beliefs, but I hope you see that it's a fallacy to say you've "proven" God's existence when all you've done is identified one possible solution to the questions of cosmology.

Answer 3

yeah thats so really bad logic. All you did was fit anything together in order to prove you point.

If you ever taking a proof writing class you would know that to prove a point, you need to use a series of theorms and rules and laws. all you did was make assumputions to fit you pupose.

as of now people can not prove if god is real or not. much like no one can prove "that there is no largest prime number"

But base on what we do know i would say all signs point to God no exsisting. There are no facts at all saying that he was ever around. We know that

1) the bible was written by man
2) during the time when the bible was put together people of that ago would just believe what ever was told to them by some one of higher class/education.
3) there are about 1000 other religions and what makes you think your's is more right then any one elses.

Answer 4

This is only in a closed system. We are not in a closed system.

The Bible God is one of the most twisted creations of the human mind. Religious belief is, and always has been, based on little more than culture. 3/4 of the global population will follow the religious beliefs of their parents. Hinduism dates back far further than Judaism. Even if all evidence didn't go against the God you follow I still couldn't worship him, if I didn't have my logic I'd still have my morality. Seems you have neither.

As for your existence logic, with the infinite expanse of the cosmos, even with the minute chance a planet can reside in the conditions that could support life, multiply that by a for all logical purposes infinite amount of possible locations, and life not only here, but in many other places as well, is the outcome. If we weren't in one of those places that could support life, however rare, we wouldn't be writing this.

Done.

Answer 5

You have not proven anything. You have stated a bunch of figures which you interpret as proof, but I'm sure an atheist could take those same principles and create his/her own argument.

True that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so that pretty much argues against both christianity AND the big bang.

Answer 6

Jumping to a supernatural deity conclusion is not rational or logical. Doing so is using CAVE MAN logic to explain the unknown. "Where did energy come from?"...does not automatically mean it came from a supernatural entity.

We are living proof of the big bang and star dust. Words written several thousand years ago in the day when people believed in a flat earth society is hardly convincing to modern man....sorry.

Answer 7

God didn't speak words because he's not a human being, has no physical structures that humans have to form words, AND, Genesis is just a story to explain general ideas, not a literal explanation of what happened. Do you really think that of all the people over thousands of years who have tried to prove God exists, suddenly YOU have done it? There are a LOT of assumptions in your "logic."

Answer 8

I don't think so.

first off, with the "energy is niether created nor destroyed". You are contradicting it by saying that "God created it".

As for the odds of our existence, there may be .0000001nth to infinity that we would even exist, but how many planets are there in the universe? There is a nearly infinite number of planets (not to mention moons and other celestial bodies) available, so there is a nearly infinite number of chances for life to develop

Answer 9

I've heard more sensible reasoning from crack addicts.

Nobody can prove god exists, because he/she does not exist.

But if you want to spend some time and energy on the real teachings of Jesus, then help the poor, tend to the sick, say kind words to people, and work on making this world a better place.

Answer 10

If God DOES exist, then he made me, and he makes me think what I think. I don't believe in God, but since he's making me think that, then I'll go to heaven, right?

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but basically it's all down to interpretation. I don't understand half the stuff you talk about above, but I'm not afraid to admit that.

I believe in the Big Bang, evolution and that I was made through the joining of a sperm and an egg. I don't thank God for my life, I thank my parents. I don't thank God for my achievements; I thank myself for all my hard work, because I'm the one that made myself do it. Nobody else can take the credit for that. If they did, I would set them straight.

Answer 11

Nice,
some people need God to be proven, some people don't.
I believe there is a God mainly of the fact that I exist. I don't believe that I was created by alien, and from all the other religion Christianity is the only one that makes sense, I just need more faith though.