How many people agree with me, or disagree with me?

Question

Ok, I really don't usually get into political debates or anything, but this is something a few people and I were talking about and I wonder how many share my view.

It's about Obama. See, I don't know his views, I don't know his goals, I don't know his plans for taxes, and I don't know his opinion on medicare or anything like that. What i do know is that I would never vote to put this man in any office whatsoever.

I want to know how many agree with me on this point, and even those who disagree with me, I'm curious to hear other views on this.

Forget his views, goals, beliefs, intentions, or ideals, this is a man who outright refuses to wear an American flag pin, and refuses to say the pledge of allegiance, this man, no matter how qualified, has no business in the office of the President of the United States. Any man who has no intention of wearing OUR flag, the very flag that thousands of men and women who served this country have fought for, bleed for, and died for, and man who will not say the pledge of allegiance, who thinks himself too good to show even this little bit of dedication to our nation, has no business being the President, and I'll be damned if I'd ever vote for a man who refuses to wear the flag that I fought and bleed for and the flag that some of my friends gave their lives for.

I'm curious to see who agrees with me on this, and also who disagrees with me, I'd like to hear others views on this subject.

Answer 1

I do agree with you, even though I am a bit more well read on the subject.

Answer 2

I agree with you that his opinions are either vanilla in nature, or are hidden away by his ambiguious speech. You don't know what he stands for because he doesn't say what he stands for, and that's a problem. I would rather disagree with someone with respect, than have no idea what they believe in.

Wearing the flag pin, however, is an issue I have to politely disagree with you about. Most people don't wear pins. A large majority of people in the United States alone don't wear pins on thier suits, or anywhere else. I just don't believe that Obama should wear a pin because someone has made it a point to say that he isn't wearing one now. There's no precident in Congress to wear pins, either. Other than those who choose to make a big deal about it.

I've never heard that he refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance other than from a "forwarded email" that was circulated. I can't really comment on something that's not a legitimate source of news.

Snopes has a very compelling article about the time where he didn't put his hand on his heart for the National Anthem, but then shows other footage where he has done it.

Bottom line...I wouldn't vote for him because he's playing politics with the American People, trying to say "nice" things, but refusing to talk in depth about his feelings on a large many issues.

...I just don't, however, consider Barack Obama to be an unpatriotic American. That's an awfully harsh label to give someone I've never spoken to in real life.

Answer 3

Ok, Iwas going to skip this one because it's goofy. If you make your decision based on a flag pin, you really shouldn't have the right to vote. The pledge thing is BS.

I really wanted to answer lit_writer, if your post was a joke than, good stuff, really biting satire.

If not, then who do you suppose would enforce Obama's implementation of Islamic law? He would of course first need to disband the Congress and the Courts. He would need the military to do that. Do you think the American Military, made up of predominately Christians, are going to co-operate with this? Seriously, to much Battlestar Galacticca dude.

Answer 4

I can't understand what he is trying to prove. How do you forget to place your hand over your heart during the pledge. I know its happened once if its happened more than that then there is a pattern. As for the flag, personally, I think he's stupid not too but in all honesty, I'm getting sick of all the ribbons and stuff everyone is wearing on their lapels. However, he is running for the presidency and you would think he would have the good sense to wear one. Kind of makes you wonder about his judgment, doesn't it. No, I won't be voting for him and those are a couple of the reasons why not.

Answer 5

First off, it appears that you have not researched the incidents in question.

Obama did not refuse to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance - it was the singing of the Star Spangled Banner...

Here's the YouTube video as proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo&feature=related

Holding your hand over your heart is not customary nor required during the singing of the National Anthem - it IS required during the Pledge of Allegiance...

Frankly, I would be more offended at that WRETCHED rendition of the National Anthem than someone absentmindedly neglecting to show a form of respect that isn't customary to begin with...

Here's a YouTube of Obama's comments on this issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2La7lBKS6U&feature=related

Second, he does not wear a 50 cent pin made in China because he feels that the people need to HEAR (not necessarily see) what makes this country great, which, in and of itself, is a form of blatantly displayed patriotism.

To focus on what a person is/isn't wearing and then make a judgement of their patriotism based on that, is debating semantics , which detract attention from and obfuscate the very real issues that face this country.

After 9/11, it was the "fashion" for people to display flags all over their cars and homes, yet they forgot that the real lesson to be learned (as citizens) from that event is the fact that we need to look out for one another and be more mindful of our surroundings and others. From my perspective, that lasted the entire week, but then people were back to "business as usual" the very next week. THAT SICKENED ME and that was the reason I REFUSED to display the flag, because people only had enough American "solidarity" in them to follow the fad, without paying it forward...

I would proudly display a flag now that the "fad" has passed, because patriotism is not a fashion trend or an accessory for your car or home, it's part of who you are as a loyal, contributing individual to our democracy.

Am I an Obama supporter? No. I'm a Libertarian, who will judge both Democratic and Republican candidates on where they stand on the issues and what viable ideas they have that will put our country back on track under their respective administrations.

Answer 6

Agree. But not particularly for those reasons. He is getting all the attention because he was quoted as saying "I will be the first Black President of this country". Who cares if he is black? And why does he get special treatment because of the colour of his skin? It isn't as if the man has the credentials to be President. He has the least experience of all the candidates running Republican or Democrat. Just being black and having Oprah back you does not make you a voters choice for President.

Answer 7

I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. It seems you are one of millions who totally and blindly believe what many sold-out media outlets say, to discredit a candidate because they have special interests in others. The pin, MOST CANDIDATES DON'T USE IT. It's a personal preference, NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING PATRIOTIC OR NOT. The "refuses to say the pledge of allegiance", Who told you that? Are you willing to bet your life he really doesn't, or you are just repeating what some of the biased sold-out media outlets said once, to discredit him?

Please verify your "news sources" before stating something as completely true. I'm sure the man says the pledge with pride and honor, when it is required. And the pin, many other politicians have said in interviews they don't wear it due to a a personal preference, because they just don't like wearing pins, and it has nothing to do with their patriotism. If you don't like Obama for other personal reasons (his being black, not being a woman, or having a Muslim heritage, which are three things he can't control, because they were given by birth) then you are biased against him, and you use the deceiving anti-Obama media comments, to justify your disliking him for other very personal reasons, which is not fair and is not a valid reason to discredit him.

Answer 8

It was a dirty smear campaign. It should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

There are plenty of people who will proudly wrap your flag around themselves, and proclaim themselves to be 'more patriotic than thou', and then having gained your confidence, will happily betray you, and spit on everything they have vowed.

And you proudly say that you "don't know his views, don't know his goals, don't know his plans for taxes, and don't know his opinion on medicare or anything like that". Shame on you. You swallow lies and smears, and are too lazy to find out facts and real information.

You are a sitting duck for those who would sell you lies and buy your vote with spin and deception.

Have you heard the expression "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel?". My guess is that next year you will vote for a scoundrel.

Answer 9

Wrong. I love the flag, but it's the Constitution that military and government officials swear to uphold, not the flag. The constitution is what we fight and bleed for.

Ron Paul 08

Answer 10

I totally agree with you. You should take pride in this country as president or someone running for president.