TNA fans - Do you have ANY idea what so ever?

Question

You guys say the WWE is boring, yadda yadda yadda.

Thats fine, but have a look in your "own backyard" first.
- TNA continues to push older guys
- Nothing makes sense, why does the X-div champion NOT holding the belt, why would you "fire" Chris Daniels, why would you push VKM. What the hell is wrong with that booking team!
- Joe gets burned backstage ... even though he was told to bury Scott Hall!?!?!?

TNA isnt even an alternative, its WWE-lite... iMPACT is a poor mans Raw. Its impossible to support a company who also thinks the fans are a joke as well.

So TNA fans, lets hear your "reply"

Candle, you brought up a name that i think is interesting. Kazarian - What did he do to get this push. Hes left TNA before for the 'E' then came back and joined Raven's group now gets pushed to the moon.

Did i miss something? Hasnt Joe, Harris, Storm, Daniels etc. been there longer?

Ok... it appears I need to defend myself now.

Firstly im NOT a WWE mark. I like all promotions that entertain me by producing good wrestling and sensible storylines.
Second, TNA does the simple things wrong like making people face and heel etc.
I didnt know i opened a can of worms on this situation

Oh to Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah ... how did you guess? I was so happy when i heard that news, literally [something was] jumping out of my pants

Candle - Your making me look bad here, try to dumb your answers down so i still have a wrestling ego after this

"Quotations ARE fun" and "always" will be

Answer 1

It's useless, Sub Zero (no offense).. Reasoning and logic will not get you anywhere with the TNA sheep, but they do give more value to the "thumb-down" button I admit to that..

Answer 2

Oh boy....why does this always have to be the way it is? Okay, let's look at TNA.

They're pushing new guys now, like Kazarian, Roode, MCMG, and Machismo. True, the older guys still have the main event, so let's agree to disagree.

I don't think Daniels is fired, I think it's angle. God knows why they decided to push New Age Outlaws, and the angle with the X belt wasn't ridiculous until the ladder match last week. I can understand heels stealing titles, but the ladder match made no sense.

Joe did more than bury Scott Hall, he buried most of the main event, including Kevin Nash, whom is the reason Joe has a job in TNA. Although I do agree that some of the things Joe said needed to be said, he overstepped a few bounds by calling out Dixie Carter, and even more messed up that he went after Nash, whom has been a team player for a long time now.

I don't compare products, and if I did, I wouldn't compare iMpact to raw. The problem with fans like you, and the fans who burn WWE for that matter is you compare the products like they're on even playing fields, when they're not.

Here's my "reply," bud :-).

REBUTTAL:
Are you suggesting that Kazarian's obscure and barely noticed THREE WEEKS in WWE has something to do with his success? That's laughable. Has he been there longest? Maybe not for consecutive years, but he was in TNA during a time when Joe wasn't. He and Bentley tagged back in the day. Kaz left for awhile for some of the same reasons that Low Ki left, he wasn't being used. He left WWE for similar reasons. I couldn't tell you what appeal they see in Kazarian, but I honestly doubt it has anything to do with his time on Velocity in the WWE.

There are more deserving men, like Storm, Daniels and Joe (Harris is...well...unpushable, I've come to believe), and they've had shots at being pushed. Daniels had a short-term feud with Sting that went nowhere, Joe's had multiple clinics with Angle, and held half of the titles in the company at one time. If that's not recognition, I don't know what is. Storm's been feuding with Eric Young, which is kind of a good sign, considering TNA seems to invest a lot in Young's awkward success.

Answer 3

-TNA pushes old guys...hmm, so does WWE(Undertaker, Hunter Has Hemorrhoids, Has Been Kid, Batista is damn near 40!)
-It was a Feast or Fired match, no one knew what belt they would get, which I think is kinda neat, see what happens.
-What Joe said at the PPV was complete truth. I don't care if he called out Dixie Carter, b/c she doesn't know a damn thing.
-TNA isn't an alternative? I guess Angle, Booker T, Christian all made bad decisions to leave a Political Circus also known as WWE?
-Hunter Has Hemorrhoids is holding back talent left & right, I don't want to hear pushing old guys when WWE has their fair share of old nursing home talent.
-Bad booking, did I really see Kevin Federline pin John Cena on RAW?

Answer 4

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Answer 5

Alright, here is my "reply"!

TNa pushing older guys has been rather annoying the whole year...But they are fixing it. And contrary to popualr belief,Joe isnt being buried. He really should be holding the title, but is still one of the top main eventers.

Christopher Daniels should be higher than he is right now, I'll admit. VKM?? How often do they come on? Every few weeks? I barely noticed them anymore. But when the do appear, its boring.

What Samoa Joe said needed to be said, but he was yelled at for "extending" his little rant. Personally, I'm glad he did it and if TNa Management is mad, screw them!

But the point I'm trying to get across is that TNa backstage politics are unfair at times, but the product itself is simply better.

And the Team 3-D stealing the X-Division title makes me want to hate them! Which is the point!

I'd rather watch Christian and Angle going at it for the title than another Ortan-Cena feud or a Ortan-y2j feud or whatever they wanna recycle.


Like I said the backstage politics arent so good. The product isn't perfect either. But its different, its wrestling is obviously superior, and its just more exciting than the WWE.

And I can't even endure Raw for more than a few minutes. But iMPACT lures me in (Except cheap production value sometimes :P


***EDIT*** So Kaz's few minutes in the WWE earned him his TNA success?

And the TNA Originals I admit are being somewhat ignored.

Answer 6

Wow....

I see the flaws in both WWE and TNA, but things like this will not get into "sheep" for either. There are fans of TNA that can see the flaws, and then there are those who continuously put other organizations down and try to make TNA look like the God Hand of professional wrestling. That's where the problem lies with the fans. It is also the same case with WWE "sheep".

**starred**, though you won't break it into any "sheep".

Answer 7

From Gary V
Valid points but I think a better question might be: why do people consider any wrestler who leaves one company to work for another a "reject"? We don't do that with actors, pro football players, or store cashiers.

I think a lot of today's fans don't know their wrestling history. It wasn't THAT long ago that all pro wrestlers were itinerant, moving from territory to territory, with occasional visits to other countries. A big reason for this was to avoid becoming stale and over-exposed in one territory (a common complaint with the WWE now -- the same faces month after month, year after year). Another reason was to be different characters in different promotions (or heel in one and face in another). Wrestlers rarely stayed in one territory for more than a few months at a time. Even Ric Flair when he was WCW champion. He was based in WCW but he still traveled all over the country and to other countries defending his title in different promotions. Vince McMahon Jr. changed all of that with his guaranteed contracts that don't allow his employees to work for the "competition". And now, for whatever reason, a WWE wrestler leaves and goes to work for another compay, he's automatically labeled a "WWE reject". That's just wrong.
1 hour ago Wrestling fan for 40 years.
by me moonscope:
Wrestling People fail to understand the simple basic fact that matches have both winners and losers asking who's better, who needs a push, who's jobbing and then the I haters.
Wrestling scripts the whole show, Vince couldn't post all match win/losses week-in week-out, but a statements never wasted, goals do change however.
WCW released Two Wrestlers then lost about 75% of it's best Talent to Nitro, nearly ending McMahons Industry, Nitro was growing giganic and failed in a snap, Vince got them for pennies on the few months before dollar value. {new formed profit-sharing and benefits evolved to laziness and mismanagement destroying marketability.}
TNA now needs another City Venue, their Wrestling locality is better for the fighters than WWE's constant road travels, thats more better fan friendly.
Like-it or not WWE needs the six sided rings action, including some limitations.
Vince understands compitition promotes, but he also buys them out for himself.
Wrestling is a job and workers need options to move, even back and back again.
TNA and WWE needs to push their talent as required for the long term, addressing time-off, injury, familys and personas, fans are seat warmers, you and me.
Young talent takes years to develop {long-term tag-teamings an ideal training tool} over push them you get an Orton.
My goal is Industry change, Wrestlers Wrestle, check my Q&As, stating the genetic jackhammer, sledgehammer, unguarded face punts and ring steps over-hips thrust into faces must be removed from view, Vince is demented, vindictive and controlling, great but losing Moola stands without a whisper or respect beyond legacy and HOF control.
23 minutes ago:
Edit; exactly what Gary states again! And I agree with respected Donovan this time, remove Steroids advantage and Superstars resemble has-beens, but Wrestling a developement that requires expertice, have all young talent and showmanship suffers, the only way that Wrestling would ever die-out.

Answer 8

Sometimes I wonder whether the WWE is secretly paying Russo & the TNA booking team to sabotage them, that's how bad the writing crew at TNA is. If any TNA mark can defend the lot of TNA's booking decisions, like Feast or Fired or the X-Division Title situation or anything, I'd be surprised.

I'm not even a WWE mark, but cripes, TNA just plain sucks.

Answer 9

This is why i dont even bother watching TNA.

WWE has been around forever and never dissapointed me apart from the very long cena reign but even then...

I dont see the point of TNA at all.

Answer 10

To expand on what Kevin wrote: TNA does still call itself a "wrestling" company and they do have some extremely talented performers, but at the end of the day, they still think they have to compete with the WWE. Vince McMahon, for all of his "creative genius", has taught the American wrestling public that they want stories and characters, and oh yeah, a few short wrestling matches if we have time. But not until AFTER we show what happened last week fifty-seven times, and the commercials can't interfere with ANY of our brilliant, riveting stories. But Vince, where will we put the commercials? During the wrestling matches, dumbass, the fans want STORIES, not wrestling. Fans want wrestling matches with no commercials they will just have to buy the PPVs. Um, Vince, we put commercials in those, too. Yes, but they are WWE commercials, that doesn't count. And we don't interrupt the matches for them anyway.

My point is, Vince McMahon, like it or not, dictates how the wrestling business operates. No other company has his marketing budget or brand recognition. WCW wasn't able to compete with the WWF until they got the money (Ted Turner) and started copying the WWF's programming "strategy", emphasizing characters and stories over in-ring action. ECW was on it's way by going the reverse route: over-the-top action with little emphasis on "story". Their audience was growing and they got a major cable TV deal, in spite of their not copying the WWF. I won't go in to the way it happened but long story short, Vince bought 'em and put 'em out of business.

Vince McMahon has trained the American wrestling public and the suits running the TV business that the WWE is the ONLY way to run the wrestling business (including TV wrestling programs). Any deviation from the WWE formula is automatically labeled "sucks" by the fans and those who do copy the WWE formula are labeled "inferior wannabes" by the fans. The TV suits don't have original ideas; they just copy to death any idea that seems to work. And, unfortunately, that means ALL wrestling programs must copy the WWE formula to be accepted by the fans and the suits.

I, personally, think Vince Russo hates pro wrestling and he has caused much more harm than any good he may have done. But I'm not going to blame him for WCW's downfall or for any booking idiocy on TNA. I put the blame on us, the fans. We have bought in to "Vince McMahon's way is the ONLY way". And that means anybody who wants to put a wrestling show on TV has to copy the WWE's formula to be accepted.

I'm a very old-school wrestling fan. I don't care about storylines. I long for the days when a Ric Flair could go out and defend his title, cheat to win, piss off the fans, then move on to the next challenger. Nowadays, we get to see Edge have a fifteen-minute tongue-sucking liplock closeup with Vickie Guerrero, proclaim on TV his undying love for her (multiple times), whine and cry about being screwed out of his title, backstab and ambush everybody in the world, screw somebody ELSE out of the title to "earn" his own title shot, maybe have to defend that title shot against somebody ELSE whining and crying about not getting a title shot, etc etc ad nauseum...

Because this is what we have been trained to want by Vince McMahon, every other would-be big player in the business has to try to copy this formula, even TNA. Whether or not TNA management wants to run their TV show in the WWE style, you know they had to promise the SPIKE TV suits that they would. TNA pushes the former WWE stars because the fans know them, the suits know them, everybody (whether you like them or not) is comfortable with them.

I was hoping that TNA would put less emphasis of storylines and really promote their remarkable in-ring performers (especially the X Division wrestlers) but, unfortunately, you can't go against Vince McMahon's formula. This is not a rant against Vince McMahon. He has been phenomenally successful and I don't think the WWE "sucks". I also don't think his way is the ONLY way (check out old WCCW {especially the Von Erichs vs The Freebirds} on how to do a pro wrestling feud RIGHT). There is plenty of room on TV for alternatives to the WWE. Vince, however, doesn't think so. Unfortunately, most fans it seems, and all TV suits, agree.

Answer 11

I like TNA just the same as RAW,just stop watching if you don't like it cause there is no sense in telling us why don't like it
It's your personal opinion that's all

something that didn't make sense was that garbage 15th anniversary opening,how many times is hhh going to use that set up of Vince doing every one and wasting 45minutes ...

No wonder Linda refused to be in the ring for that