2007-12-12 04:10:11 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Sports ➔ Baseball
Ok, since you want to look at the numbers that way...
Wins by pitchers other than the top 4 starters by team (85+ win teams):
Red Sox - 35 of 96 (36.5%)
Yankees - 43 of 94 (45.7%)
Indians - 37 of 96 (38.5%)
Tigers - 42 of 88 (47.3%)
Angels - 37 of 94 (39.4%)
Mariners - 41 of 88 (46.6%)
Phillies - 40 of 89 (44.9%)
Mets - 36 of 88 (40.9%)
Cubs - 29 of 85 (34.1%)
Diamondbacks - 40 of 90 (44.4%)
Rockies - 50 of 90 (55.5%)
Padres - 40 of 89 (44.9%)
So basically, we didn't forget, it's just not as rare as you made it out to be that teams get a lot of wins from their 5th and further starters.
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Besides, if the 10 pitchers you mentioned are A or AA players, why is the farm system so depleted? You're argument is like a screen cup, doesn't hold water.
2007-12-12 06:11:16 · answer #1 · answered by GPC 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Well your math is off...108 games for the top 4...leaving 54 games.....that's 33%...not 40%
40% would be 65 games started by the other guys..
However...13 of those starts were by Hughes...now I don't know for sure...but dosn't every Yankee fan consider him the next Whitey Ford or something...
Can't have it both ways there fella...either Hughes is a stud ..or he's just some A or AA fill-in guy..
With Hughes, now you are at 121...which is 75%...which might be high...but I randomly checked the DBacks...they had 127 starts by their main guys....so 121 doesn't seem all that burdensome...
Now when you add Igawa, a basic rotation guy before Clemens, and Pavano...that's 135 games..leaving only 27 for the Clippards and Kennedys and whoever...which is 6 or 7 starts less than a typical 5th SP might have....
I'd quit your bellyaching, and be thankful you're not a Royals fan, or a Rays fan, or a Marlins fan...who can't just solve their problems by writing a huge check
When it comes to problems...the Yanks are about last in line...
Ohh...now on to your question...
I didn't forget...I just didn't care...
2007-12-12 04:31:33 · answer #2 · answered by Steve M 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Yankees surge to the playoffs was impressive, but they don't have the swagger the used to. They aren't scary to anyone.
The bullpen wasn't that dominating last year. Mariano is a stopper still, but they have to get the ball to him. If Chamberlain recovers from the gnat attack, they may be set up okay. Abeladejo is a good addition, but he is a situational guy.
The real question is the rotation. What will Igawa and Hughes do? What will the old guys Pettite and Mussina do? Wang is good for 17 or 18 wins. Otherwise, it's a crapshoot.
2007-12-12 04:51:35 · answer #3 · answered by David M 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Between them, Clemens, Mussina, Wang, Pavano, Igawa and Pettitte started 75% of the Yankees games. So, I'm wondering first where you get this 40% figure.
Secondly, Desalvo, Clippard and Rasner had all pitched at AAA in 2006 and 2007. It's not like they were reaching deep down into the system to find these guys. They should be better this season with the experience they've gained, but it's not like they were all a bunch of kids.
2007-12-12 04:20:48 · answer #4 · answered by Craig S 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
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2016-09-05 09:20:39 · answer #5 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
And 150 million or so in their lineup. A lot of teams go through pitching problems, so what is your point.
Legends?... how are the sox going to get worse. Is Beckett going to be worse, Schilling will be the same, Dice-K will get better, Lester and Bucholz will get better... papelbon is a stud and Okijima will get better. They are loaded with young talent including Youlkilis (sp?) Elsbury and Pedroia. The Yanks lineup is made up of a lot of players on their decline. Abreu, Jeter, Matsui, Damon, Giambi. How do you think that they are going to improve that much? With Hughes or Kennedy? I am not impressed. Or Wang who choked big time in the playoffs? Mussina? Even Pettite is on his downside. You better pray that the Sox don't get Johan, because then it is over.
As far as the tigers go... They have 3 solid .300 plus hitters in Guillen and Polanco and Renteria. An up and coming stud lead-off hitter in Granderson. The MVP runner up in Mags. Shef who will hit his usual 30 hrs and 100 rbis even though I can't stand him. Pudge who can still swing it even though he is not juicing anymore. Now they add M-Cab who is a young Man-Ram and you think that your offense is better. You have one hitter better than M-cab and that is A-Rod. The Tigers rotation is equal if not better too. If Dontrelle can regain his form, then they are definitely better. The only thing that the Yanks are ahead is bullpen.
The American league is gonna be tough next year especially when you over-evaluate your players.
2007-12-12 07:32:43 · answer #6 · answered by Carnac 4 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Excellent point... one I have overlook in my various arguements w/ biased and ignorant Sox fans. I will rememeber this. Good job. The Yankees will only get better next year and the Sox will only get worse. They don't see it yet, but anyone w/ a baseball IQ over 50 knows we will take the division next year. Now if only we could get through to those poor little Tiger fans who actually think a lineup filled w/ spare parts, old timers, and has beens is the best lineup in the game simply because they added one super bat. The Yankees have 5 Miguel Cabreras on our team. Nuff said.
2007-12-12 06:50:19 · answer #7 · answered by Legends Never Die 4 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Yeah its called scoring ten runs a game. They probably had a lot of games they lost where they scored 1 or 2 runs because their pitchers gave up more than they scored.
2007-12-12 04:15:58 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I think everyone can admit that major league baseball is going to be dominated by the Yankees and Red Sox as long as their is no salary cap.
A lot of people like to jump on the bandwagon and root for the team that has the most money (and therefore wins).
2007-12-12 04:18:30 · answer #9 · answered by smcwhtdtmc 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
40% of the games, that seems kind of high, they won with a lot of young players pitching games for them though.
108 by Petite, Mussina, Wang and Clemens; that leaves 37% to a list of plenty of no named young guys...close enough to 40; that is unreal!
2007-12-12 04:13:09 · answer #10 · answered by bdough15 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋