Predestination?

Question

Why is it I have found so much support for predestination and none for free will in the Bible?

And i mean predestination in salvation yes you have freewill to choose to do this and that but not free will in salvation in your choosing heaven or hell in choosing to accept God or reject Him.

Oh no read romans and John 15 "You did not choose me but I chose you" and Rom 9 "Therefore it does not depend on the man who will or runs but on God who has mercy" these are just a few. I have read the Bible inside and out as Spurgeon said" How can you argue for the truth if you have not studied and learned both side of the controversy" And i read quite a bit of theologians and read many commentaries pls dont say a statement if you have no support.

Okay so Romans 8:28-30 and ephesians 1 and 2 do not mean predestination when the word is used in those contexts? Pls read and get back.

And Dichotemy is the term used for God and man working together for mans salvation. I do not work with God in my salvation for I deserve nothing but total Damnation. Saying that I have free will means its my choice and can you logicaly see the escatology in that Jesus died for our sins and those whom He gave the Son in John17. If He had already accomplished salvation on our behalf as Paul says why then do Ihave a choice to still reject Him. Romans also says "For who can bring a charge against Gods elect" No Gods word states clearly Jesus accomplished once and for all salvation on behalf of His people and if I had the choice to choose or reject God right now, Christs blood was shed in vain. As Corinthinans says "While we were dead in our trespasses and sins. If im dead howcan I believe. No i must be born again andcan only be born again by God opening my heart tobelieve if in fact Jesus died on thecross for my sins. he died for those whom God gave Him. John 10"I laydownmylifeformysheep"

Answer 1

I agree, the two are often incompatible.
Some theists argue that the bible says we have free-will since we can 'choose' to 'obey' or 'disobey' God, but I don't believe that.
But how can you 'choose'?
The Judeo-God (and most others), basically say, do it my way, or you'll get whats coming to you---usually some variation of torture/death/hell.

Answer 2

"Draw nigh to me and I will draw nigh to you." James 4:8

"Wash your heart from evil, O Jerusalem, That you may be saved." Jeremiah 4:14

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Return to Me, says the LORD of hosts, that I may return to you.'" Zechariah 1:3

"And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." 1 John 3:3

The problem is "solved" by noting that each one elects election by drawing nigh to God with clean hands and a pure love, and that this is accomplished by the Holy Spirit, Who draws nigh as one draws nigh--this is clearly a mutual, reciprocal process, a "chicken and egg" dichotomy only for those who are not in the Spirit or seeking the Spirit in faith by drawing nigh.

Perhaps you were "predestined" by "headucation" or some bias not to encounter the above quotes? There are other quotes, as well, but theologic is quite state-specific, i.e., the discernment of the Word is dependent upon the soul's resonance with the Spirit.

"Free will" is a God-given ability to make right choice in the Edenic or Mystery School. It is properly termed "ability to make choice;" the "as gods" arrogation of additional "ability to make wrong choice" is what mortals too often term "free will." It is neither Free, as God is Freedom, nor is it of the One Ego, One Mind Soul-individuation, but is erring, mortal willfulness.

Oneness with the One is Self-realization (vide the first two commands: the greater sphere, "Love God completely," encloses the second, "and love colleague as Self"--i.e., Self-realization, "letting this Mind abide with you"--occurs when one is in Love with God completely).

There is no such thing as predestination; rather, God intends all to be saved, but His standards do not change, He does not "grade on a curve." Hence, "He saves whom He Wills," which is equivalent to being a gatekeeper in Heaven, in One Mind Soul, not outside the Law of the One. He would that all God-created souls be saved, but some "would not be as chicks;" thus there was free will even re Christ's mission, "but they would not"...hence, the Crucifixion was the "only Way" the Ascension in the Light could be demonstrated for even an unwilling Chosen People. While foreseen, the people yet had the ability to choose otherwise...but they "would" not.

cordially,

j.

Answer 3

because the bible isnt literal, and is connected to religion which requires faith instead of proof...if there was support for a religious belief then it would be proven and become fact...

and actually, there is no where in the bible that suggests that you don't have the choice to choose to believe in God or not believe in Him...so that is a gesture of free will...


actually john 15 is about Him asking us to remain (on the vine)...this presumes that we have the choice...
He states that He chooses us, but that is in reference to His commandment...Love one another as He loves us...

the judeo/christian God (and others) promise maladies if they are not followed, however that does not remove the choice (even if you did believe them to be telling the truth)...the choice remains...

Answer 4

There is only "The WILL". What we call free-will is merely the choice to know "The WILL" or not!
Peace and Blessings