You know liberals have many very good ideas and plans to implement them.?

Question

However why do they always wish to do it at taxpayer expense? (Meaning through the government that is.) Is it that you know no other way? I'm not trying to be mean in my inquiry. I'm just curious.

dirtbag #1: I'm not speaking of socialism. Though i do most certainly agree with you.

Answer 1

The lines between a Liberal and a Socialist, and a Conservative for that matter,seem to me to be very thinly drawn, in practice.

A liberal should be willing to try new ideas, and also to reject those that do not work out.

The Socialist believes the government has all the answers if given free reign and a tap on everybody's pocketbook, a big one, big enough to drain both rich and poor. Except of course those administering the distribution of the money!!

IF people were educated in the proper spheres of government, in that the help through the government is lessened by all the overhead, and delayed by petty squabbles over turf and details of meanings, in logic and rational thinking, and even some basic accounting.... And that government money is never free; always strings attached!

But the liberal also wants a big tap, in practice, on the citizen's pocketbook, and at the same time freedom to try new things, even variants on what has not worked before. Without any checks and balances, in most cases.

And of course, much like the socialist, wants the government to be in control of what is done, how funds are spent, and without a lot of accountability to the Public.

The socialists feel the government is going to be right. No arguments. And tend to have huge structures erected to take care of the stupid people who cannot do it themselves, and spend everybody's money in an edifice complex orgy.

The liberals believe in programs, and programs, and programs, to cure every ill, but in general, were that ill to really be cured, the orgy of prograsms would continue anyhow, perhaps being folded into another program so the money flow never stops. And the liberals of course get their cut off the top.

I think the answer to your question is that in any and every case, regardless of the ostensible form of the government, the Citizens pay, through taxes, for everything the government does, and usually inefficiently at that. Have to feed the leeches, good warm blood!

The Liberals cannot fund their grandiose schemes without hitting the taxpayers hard. These fancy programs cost a lot, and the Liberals supposedly are poor but idealistic.

Why are you surprised that ANY government costs us money, and the more programs to please and help everybody there are, the more the taxpayers get hit for the costs of the program, INCLUDING paying all the administrative bureaucrats!

And as we are finding now in the medical appliance fields, the laws are enriching bureaucrats and cheats, and not getting the aid to those who really need it. But with the billions wasted already, we know some people are going to have lots of pull in the government!!

The one difference is that both the REAL conservatives and liberals are reluctant to just start up new programs for any real or imagined need. And especially the Conservatives tend to ride the reins a little harder.

Often though, they get entrenched and hidebound and the crooks get in among them and ravage the programs for personal gains. What comes from being in a country where morality is politically incorrect to teach, clever immorality is praised and even explained how to do, and religion is a bad
word.

Where it is perfectly OK to say "God Damn You", but illegal to say "God Bless You", and criminal to say, "God Save You."

IF people were to be taught the benefits of generosity and sharing, rather than the "virtues" of grabbing all you can get by any means possible, we might make progress. And if the government did not encourage ideas like old people are worthless, and more money makes more happiness (our Congressmen especially!), and the Public Way is the only real way for a "Democracy" (sic) to succeed, maybe we could avoid all the wastes of money and property and lives.

What ever happened to the good old Family that gathered together and supported each other and taught morality, for the most part? Now I read articles on how to run around on your wife and now to dump her for someone richer, and how to use drugs constructively, and so on. How to dress for success rather than work for it. I think I read somewhere we are in a post-modern, post-Christian age, where there are no hard and fast Rules, but saying there are none does not mean there are not natural laws and consequences, and we see that in all the huge costs of government piled higher and deeper on our backs.

As it is, when people do not care for each other, and there are real or perceived needs, the only solutions right now are to let people suffer and ignore that, or for the government to step in and in general make matters worse for most everybody except the bureaucrats, and add another tax on the "middle class" who do not have loopholes put in by clever politicians. The middle class, who are probably the most productive part of our society!

Do you suppose that we should pay the bureaucrats year by year in proportion to their record of solving problems and meeting the stated needs of the law without the corruption and in-budget, and if they just consume budget without meeting needs or stifling corruption, put it on their records and turn them loose?

I would point out how little the media spoke of the church relief efforts at and after Katrina. FEMA tho, yes. Political arguments, yes. Publicizing the great efforts of the ham operators who worked for free, and the churches and private charitable organizations who dropped everything to do what they could, no way. And even the government was attacking some medical folks who stayed on where no politician would be caught dead, let alone being helpful! And the media loved it.

People MIGHT realize the Government is not the answer to everything, that they are their brother's keepers, and a lot of petty politicians of all persuasions might have to find honest work. Heaven Forfend!!

Answer 2

How is it that liberals are blamed for overspending when a republican administration has been spending trillions of dollars and putting us into the largest amount of debt we've ever seen?

I think the reason that many people want the government to control everything is because they don't have faith in people. They think that people are selfish and as long as their life is going well they disregard the struggles of their neighbor. The government (in a perfect world) can be a sort of objective 3rd party expediter of services and opportunities.

What makes socialism bad is the fact that it stifles opportunity, high achievement, and individual liberty. The government's job should be to provide opportunity, not to funnel people into any particular lifestyle choice. There are good ideas that we can take from socialism though when it comes to pooling our money through taxes and putting it into programs that create positive social change. In today's individualist society it's a lot easier than trying to get people to help each other out of the goodness of their heart.

As always though, it's a matter of maintaining balance. The government should not have too much power, and we should have ways to keep their spending in check and keep the money moving in the right direction. For instance, the current welfare system should be completely scrapped and replaced with a program that encourages job training and career advancement. Help people help themselves, don't just spend for the sake of spending.

Answer 3

This idea will not cost tax payers a dime. It may save millions in war costs and save human lives. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
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Answer 4

Liberals don't have many good ideas at all. They simply want you to become dependent upon them for everything, that way you will be sure to vote, vote, vote for them. The entitlement attitude, they love it. Basically, they want to give you handouts, plenty of tax dollars here, and dependency, and the conservatives think you should earn your way.

Answer 5

Well, neocons and the Bush gang have very bad (and expensive) ideas and don't pay for them. At least libs realize that things cost money.

Answer 6

I know, it's crazy.
Why cant they just put it all "off budget" , keep borrowing, and continue to grow the Federal Government like the past 6 years.

Answer 7

You are generalizing under the word "Liberal" and also what it means. PLEASE look up LIBERAL in the dictionary and change it--in your mind--from a negative to a positive. You are speaking from programming of peers or other influences. Think and LEARN for yourself!

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Answer 8

They have no idea how to implement any of their plans, that is why even when they have control nothing gets done.

Answer 9

Because they believe all rich people in the U.S are lazy and ALL the Unwealthy people are Hard-Working.

Answer 10

You mean as opposed to doing it on borrowed money from China and Saudi Arabia .... ?