Do you think Pete Rose will ever get into the Hall of fame?His playing record speaks for itself?

Question

some facts are confusing her
Pete Rose had over four thousand hits. I dont think any other player has done that like
charlie Hustle
Pete Rose didnt gambele as a player.
He did it as a manager.

gambele=gamble
Should his playing career be judge on his mangerial career?

Answer 1

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team...I made a big mistake. It's my fault, It's nobody's else's fault..."
Pete Rose - March 14, 2007

Pete Rose SHOULD be in the Hall of fame but will have to wait until Baseball gets a new Commish.

he is the all-time major-league leader in
hits (4,256), games played (3,562), at bats (14,053)

He won:
three World Series rings , three batting titles , one Most Valuable Player Award , two Gold Gloves , the Rookie of the Year Award, made 17 All-Star appearances

betting on baseball didn't help him accomplish any of this but, HOF rule 5 says......

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

yet the very unlikeable Ty Cobb, the drinking and womanizing Babe Ruth, the umpire abusing John McGraw, the racist Cap Anson, cheaters like Gaylord Perry, the gambling Leo Durocher are all in. MLB should be honest with itself and delete the character and integrity requirements of Rule 5.

to "Kris" above me nice Manny pic, how do you feel about you Pats coach? he knew video taping hand signals from the sideline was against the rules & he did it anyways. DOH!

Answer 2

It sure does....however playing records are only part of the equation..

A note on the Hall....the Hall decides who goes in..not baseball...baseball and the Hall are 2 separate entities...with a common goal..to promote the game.

The Hall and baseball are NOT in business together...the Hall is independently owned and operated..they select the criteria, the voters and set the rules..MLB has nothing to do with that.

So, outside of a players stats, he needs to be otherwise eligible....10 year career...and not on baseballs suspended list.

Rose is suspended...by his own signature. He was showed the evidence...and plea-bargained to a suspension. He can read and write, is intelligent and had the advice of an attorney.

He chose suspension,voluntarily..rather than fight the charge.

Betting is the Cardinal Rule here...you bet..you are out...period...

Some may not like the rule...but that's the way it is.
I don't like the rules against speeding and polygamy...but that's the game we play.

So Pete Rose..the person..bet on baseball...by his own plea bargain....Pete Rose the person is therefore suspended by MLB, and therefore Pete Rose the person is ineligible for the Hall.

He knew the rules, knew the punishment, knew the precedence (Shoeless Joe and the rest of the Black Sox), saw the evidence, talked to an attorney, and signed the agreement.....

I think the point is clear.....the 10 year old kid down the street playing little league gets in before a cheater who stained the game..

and since we can't 'split the baby'...none of Pete Rose gets in...and rightly so.

Answer 3

Gambling or even being connected with gambling is poison if you are connected with baseball..
After their careers were over, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays got jobs as greeters at a Casino in Atlantic City. The job involved nothing more than saying to guests, : Hi, I'm Mickey Mantle".
The baseball commissioner told them , that if they are employed by a casino, they cannot go to any kind of baseball event. a game,banquet, NOTHING. Why! Because in Las vegas you can bet on baseball at the casinos.
Pete Rose may have hall of fame qualities records, but he was banned from the game.
He will never be recognized by anyone in the sport for anything.

Answer 4

His record does speak for itself, in the sense that a record of crime speaks. Betting on baseball is the number one crime against the sport.
Nobody doubts that he would get in as a player if he had never gambled. But washing that gambling away would be like saying "sure, work with the Taliban awhile and then run for President!" It would be like cheating on your spouse over and over again and claiming to be a good husband or wife. It would be a student who buys papers being placed on the Honor Roll.

Answer 5

1. He knew gambling was against the rules, regardless if you're a player, manager, trainer, etc.

2. He STILL bet on games he was involved in, knowing if he was caught he would be ineligible to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

3. He was caught, and made the deal to sign the lifetime ban in exchange for baseball not releasing their findings (that he bet on baseball.)

4. He lied about it to EVERYONE else for 15 years, until he wanted to sell books.

People that don't know the situation well enough think he should be allowed in, people that have done some research on it realize he should NEVER he inducted.
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Answer 6

he will probably never get in. pete was a great player when he played & on merits alone he deserves to be in the hall. fact is he gambled on baseball for years. u can't but help that he may have altered the results of games to help him cover the spread to pay off his bookies. that's where i have a problem w/ him. pete is like family in a way. u love him but u have to turn ur back on him.

Answer 7

First - Ty Cobb had over 4,000 hits - so Pete was second to get there and probably the last ever.

Look at the stats - Rose gets in first ballot.

Look at history - he knew he was breaking the rules, he was touching the third rail of baseball which means instant "baseball death".

No, he will never get in - and I was a BIG BIG Red Machine fan - loved Pete and Joe and Johnny and Perez and Foster and on and on. But no, Pete won't be allowed in.

Answer 8

Never, if the Hall maintains any sort of standards.

More vitally to Rose, he should never be reinstated by Major League Baseball. He knew what he was doing, he knew the potential sanction. Now he gets to live it. Bad decisions can have bad consequences.

Rose's ability to draw breath is probably important to him personally but has no bearing on his status with MLB. His sentence is "permanent" and that amount of time has not yet expired.

Answer 9

He won't get in as long as Selig is commmissioner. He may get in after his death. That is about his only chance at this moment. He was a great player, but he has not been honest with us about is gambling.

Answer 10

he definitley belongs in. He's one of the best players to ever live who cares if he gambled. He never gambled on his own team. People just don't like him. He belongs in way before mcgwire and bonds ever do.