Is sneaking into the US as an illegal alien, simply to work, a victimless crime?

Question

In other words, when an illegal alien succeeds at subverting immigration laws and finds work in the US, does his/her deed have any negative effects on US citizens and/or LEGAL immigrants that played by the rules?

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So far, I agree with the responses. It is NOT a victimless crime.
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Answer 1

This might answer your question.

It's time we wake up. Boy am I confused. Listening to the Partisan "politicals ", I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

Now .... I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html




3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html




4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html




5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html




6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html




7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html




8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html




9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html




10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in
the US

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html




11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht




12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf




13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm




14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



The total cost is a whopping . $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

Are we THAT stupid???

Answer 2

You ever notice that those claiming that racial profiling isn't an issue know they'll never be the target of this legislation? So I guess they have a point. All this rhetoric about America this and America that. Yet all the while advocating the infringement of rights of their fellow Americans. Interesting to say the least. Of course now the new tactic is that some long lost memo gives the authority that is called for in the new law. How exactly does a memo supersede actual legislation? Yet another interesting ploy. Much like how before the law was passed Governor Brewer and Co. said that it was Constitutional and allowed for no racial profiling. Well the law has already been amended. Now why amend a law that was perfect to begin with? My favorite is how the new law mirrors federal law. Then why the need to pass new legislation? Why not enforce what's already there? Could it be that the new law doesn't mirror federal law as claimed. I guess that's neither here nor there. Certainly the murder of Mr. Krentz says it all. No witness', no proof that it was an illegal immigrant or drug smuggler for that matter. For all we know it could have been a Minute Man that felt they had been forgotten. Saw Mr. Krentz as an easy target and a way to bring back relevancy to their cause. Again that's neither here nor there. There is no such animal as a victimless crime. And the enactment of the new law will prove that. Stomping on the rights of Americans to prove a political point is a crime. The victims will be the Americans that at every turn will have to prove they have a right to be here.

Answer 3

Well you definitely could say that it isn't a victimless crime, because they take jobs that Americans could be working, and thus lowering the wages of the industries they work in, BUT if the industries that aren't anchored in the United States because they utilize the land here, such as farms, they would just move to China and give communist laborers the jobs anyway, and put the cash flow into CHina's economy.
Also, you can't really blame the immigrant for trying to better their life...You, me, and everyone else would do the same exact thing, if we were in that situation. Be thankful we don't have to worry about it....well until all our jobs are outsourced to China, India, and soon-to-be Iraq.

Is it the immigrant's fault for seeking a better life?
Not at all. The people to blame, are the people who will hire them, and the people who offer the service of wiring money from the US, to Mexico, no questions asked.

We can all agree, it certainly does the American laborer no good at all, for illegals to acquire jobs here in the USA, but it doesn't do any more harm than allowing such huge imports from communist countries, that corporatists like to call "free market" and "free trade". I'm not sure how it can be either when it demands that our manufacturers compete with communist labor, and communist pay scales.

Anyone who is against Unions, should love illegal imigration, because it helps keep unions out of American industries.

Answer 4

We seem to be missing a working definition of "victimless crime." I've understood this term to refer to things like prostitution and drug use, where nobody is specifically harmed (as opposed to rape, murder, assault, robbery, etc., where a specific victim can be identified).

Most people seem to feel that the economic impact on society as a whole exempt illegal immigration from the notion of a victimless crime. However, if the definition is so broad as to include crimes with a general economic impact, then there is no such thing as a "victimless crime." For example, prostitution could no longer be considered a victimless crime because of the negative economic impact that results from the money lost by strip clubs, video stores and websites (e.g., legitimate sex-related business establishments), medical costs due to the increased rate of STDs, and money that must be spent to pay police officers for enforcement of anti-prostitution laws.

A job given to an illegal immigrant does not amount to a job lost for an american citizen. A specific victim cannot be identified any time a foreigner enters the country without authorization by any means, unless other crimes are committed in the process. Therefore illegal immigration, by definition, is a victimless crime.

Answer 5

No because they will work under the table (paying no income taxes) for a much lower wage than other US citizens that are trying to get the same job. Wages are all pushed downward. In addition, these illegals start using government services and go to the emergency room which drives up the costs of everything. Tell them to go back to where they belong or die!

Answer 6

No, it isn't. Not only have they broke our immigration laws, but many times the next crime committed is dumping MILLIONS of TONS of trash on our land. The coyotes who bring them across tell them to bring enough food for a couple of days trip and then also a NEW change of clothes to change into when they arrive in the US...so they don't look like they shouldn't be here. Well, they dump all the rest except the good clothes and leave them on private and public lands...causing MASSIVE and dangerous areas because many have illnesses like Hepatitis and TB.

Then of course you have ID theft and document forgery. Many of them also are nothing more than drug runners on top of everything else which adds a whole new level of problems and laws which are broken.

Answer 7

No. Crime always has a victim, in this case the US citizens. It costs us money every time they enter illegally in terms of legal, medical and social services. Not to mention the incidental crimes that are committed in order to obtain employment, such as using fraudulent social security numbers

Answer 8

By definition, if you are here illegally, then you have broken the law.

If people want to come here to work, they should do like all the millions of other immigrants who actually wait for years and follow the laws to allow them to enter the United States.

Answer 9

The victims are our fellow Americans. When an illegal does not pay taxes and sends most of his wages home to his family in Mexico, his tax dollars are not going toward the roads, bridges, repairs, police and schools in our country that they should be.

Answer 10

No, it is not a victimless crime. We all pay for the free health care these people get in US emergency rooms and hospitals.

Answer 11

It depends on how many Americans want to muck-out the chicken buildings at the mega-farms for a living.