when US is saying that countries are torturing people in jails isnt that what they are doing in Guantanamo Bay

Question

even news reporters are held there and they are well tortured and ripped off the basics. but when any other country does such a act they are treated like the have got horns on their head is america superior that they get the power to torture and harm people.

im talking about the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. it is almost run by the americas. im asking why should they be allowed to do so? are they superior to the rest of the world?

Answer 1

US abuses of human rights don't count, everyone knows that. Nobody cares in the outside if a prisoner in Guantanamo bay was kidnapped from Europe and put on a CIA flight, anymore than they care about black Texans being on death row because their lawyer fell asleep.

Answer 2

No. Not the same thing.

First, the prisoners at Gitmo were captured in a war zone and identified as illegal combatants. The people in other countries were jailed by their government for alleged crimes. Prisoners of the Criminal justice system are accorded very specific rights. Illegal combatants are not accorded rights.

Second, just because YOU call some aggressive interrogation techniques "torture" does not actually make them so. The international definition, per treaties, is "severe pain or suffering, mental or physical". Per Geneva, illegal combatants are NOT protected from interrogation, and they've never been given the same protections that prisoners of a criminal justice system have. In fact, per Geneva, they could have been executed upon being captured.

Third, the torture of the people we're trying to protect does rise to the level of torture. They're physically assaulted, they're deprived of hygenic conditions, they're deprived of decent provisions, they don't receive needed medical treatment, etc. These are all contrary to basic human rights for prisoners of the criminal justice system, and should be rightly condemned.

You're trying to equate two things which are clearly completely different. Your attempt falls apart when faced with specifics and facts of the situations.

Answer 3

You are sitting at home, having a quiet time with your spouse. The children are in the den playing video games.
Three men break into your house, rape the wife, torture the children to death in front of you, leave you tied up and burn you alive in the house.

You want to athorities to do what:

A) Punish the perps
B) Reward them

It seems to me that you have chosen option B.

Next question: all of you that are against the war, against the treatment of the Guantanomo Bay jailees, why do you condone ABORTIONS (MURDER OF THE INNOCENT), why do you condone murder on the highways (40,000 - 50,000 die needlessly each and every year, for more than half a century now); why do you condone murder by doctor (the number 1, #2, and #3 causes of death in American now, IAW CBS News)?

Does this make sense? It doesn't to me.

While I do not condone torture at any time, I would prefer to be safe within my own home. If people are not safe at home, there is no liberty, no freedom left.

Answer 4

in response to some other answers you're getting, the people being held in GB have yet to be charged with any crime, so why are they being held exactly? - havent u wondered?
If a policeman came and arrested you, stuck u in jail and held u there for 5 years (as is the case with some people being held there) without ever bringing any charges, and not allowing anyone to visit you,would u think that fair?
The fact that some people think its ok for the US to do it, because Saddam has done much worse is a stupid argument,as these very same people will probably laud the US military for bringing his torturous reign to an end...what makes it ok when injustices happens in your own backyard. Yes GB may be in cuba, but its a US military base.
And its stupid and naive to think that the people held there are fairly treated, as investigations have proved otherwise.

"official investigations have revealed interrogation techniques and detention conditions that clearly violate the international prohibition on torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" - a quote from amnesty international

Answer 5

The EU Human Rights Commissioner has investigated Gitmo and determined that the prisoners there get better treatment than prisoners in European prisons.

The claims of torture at Gitmo are propaganda from cowards.

In fact anybody who believes or repeats those claims is a both a coward and a 'useful idiot.' It is cheap and easy to accuse people of criminal acts when you know that they are bound by secrecy rules and as a result cannot defend themselves.

And I bet you claim to "support the troops" - right?

Answer 6

yes, but in quantanamo bay, they are torturing the people who are unlawful enemy combatants, determined to cause serious harm and suffering towards as many people as they can. Now in other countries, prisoners are tortured because of the name they gave a teddy bear.

Do you see the difference??? Did you know that Sadam had every athelete on his Olympic team tortured for not performing better???

Answer 7

What is torture? Wearing underwear on your head? I had to do that in navy boot camp.What a bunch of wimps. When you commit terrorists acts, consider the consequences.

We are interrogating enemies of the U.S. They are being treated much more fairly than the victims of 9-11.

Answer 8

They aren't being tortured at Guantanamo Bay.

Answer 9

Don't be ignorant. We don't pull off peoples fingernails, nail their testicles to a chair, and de-capitate them with a rusty saw blade. That is just one picture from Saddam's personal basement. Don't confuse aggressive interogation with torture. If you want to truly compare us to the brutality of tribal behavior in the middle east, you deserve what they give you.

Answer 10

No one knows what is or isn't happening there - only speculation.

But you are missing the bigger and more important issue that is easier to prove or disprove anyway, and that is that the jail itself and the processes for justice afforded its prisoners represents the stretching of our LEGAL principles as embodied in the Constitution to and arguably beyond the breaking point.

Longstanding principles that have served us well have unilaterally been tossed aside for daily exigencies, at a high cost to the principles themselves and the respect of citizens and non-citizens of the US of and for its principles.

focus your outrage on educating citizens about what rights they have lost, and what the cost is both in our own country, and in the eyes of the world.

200+ years of good will tossed down the drain for what?