How are feminists "performing a disservice to rape victims"??

Question

Rape and how rape victims (male or female) are treated is something that every feminist I know is Very concerned about.

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RagJ you are tryinjg to set up a strawwoman with that question.

RajG I mean.

Answer 1

Feminists aren't performing a disservice to rape victims, but people who say promiscuous accusers don't deserve justice do. Those who think the wealthy are being taken advantage of by the money hungry poor lying cheating accusers are nuts.

The classism and sexism in this argument is unbelievable-if a person is accused of rape is wealthy, they should be protected more than a poor person, since the implicit assumptions are that the accusers are greedy liars! The truth is, the wealthy have the best attorneys at their disposal, and whether guilty or not, are going to get the best defense possible. On the other hand, the poor who are accused will have the worst defense, whether innocent or guilty.

Answer 2

Seriously...yikes...I recommend counseling! You refer to "always" several times.....perhaps a bit of paranoia. Always meaning, each and every time, without exception. I know that "always" is quite the overstatement. Confused thought process.......the correlation between rape and feminists is not to be found, although I found a direct correlation between rape and rage, sadistic sociopath etc. I wonder if your sharp mind is capable of empathy/ compassion for a person whom has violated in such a horrible fashion as rape. Take a long hard look at your anger toward women/feminists for an understanding of why your emotional security is challenged by them. I applaud all whom have become a rape survivor, victory prevails!

Answer 3

unfortunately for rape victims, after so many days any proof is gone. that doesn't mean the rape never took place. but, the accused should not be let off due to lack of proof when it isn't humanly possible to provide any. if anyone is doing a disservice to rape victims it's not feminist groups, it's women that use a rape accusation to get back at some ex that did them wrong. or these young girls that tell their parents it was rape to avoid getting into trouble.

Answer 4

Raj G - there is ALWAYS a rape kit done when rape happens and IS REPORTED. Unfortunately I've been through it. They come your pubic hair for traces of evidence, they do a vaginal swab, and many other glorious exams - and we haven't started with statements!

If that ain't proof, I don't know what is.

EDIT #3 - LOUY LEFTY - I couldn't even watch all of the video on the Violence Against Women in Islam - it was so disturbing that I started crying in shock and agony - I cannot tell you how awful it was to watch a 5-year old's clitoris be cut off without anesthesia.
OMG - I am going to look into this further - what these men are doing is reprehensible!

EDIT #2.
A rape kit with a person's DNA isn't relevant???? Wow - you really don't know what you are talking about do you?
As for those who lie - to hell with them!!! But I GUARANTEE REAL RAPE happens MUCH more frequently than false accusations!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT #1
Also - here is my response to your little sister comment:
Let me put to you this way.

Would you want your sister to be subjected to such intimidation and ridicule if she were raped? Do you think her sexual history should be paraded in court "in case" people don't believe her?

It's crap like this that made me not pursue it further. I got tired of being raked over the coals for what happened - I cannot imagine having to go thru a trial.

Answer 5

what about the woman who lied in roe vs wade about being raped? this could result in it being overturned because that's perjury. I think as painful as it is sexual history should only be considered for the following:

1) to establish the victim does or doesn't have a history of lying about being raped

2) for the defense of the one guy unfairly being accused. take the cases of Duke and the brown students falsely accused of rape. the duke kids are an acception but in the majority of cases where the guy is cleared and she admits to lying the guy's life is ruined thanks to liberal media hysteria.

if a woman wants to say she was raped the accuser immediately needs to insist on a rape test and submit dna to clear his name. this way her history doesn't have to be included as far as he's concerned.

women who lie are the ones doing real victims the disservice.

Answer 6

A court judgment found in a rape case in 1970 , in a trial I served on the jury was that "Even a prostitute has a right to say with Who and When".

Answer 7

To the first poster: what does "past willingness" have to do with the present? My ex--husband attempted to rape me during the period of our one-year long divorce. But during our marriage, I had sex willingly with him many times. Does that mean he then has the right to rape me after that? I think NOT! "Past willingness" to have sex with someone should have no bearing whatsoever on a present situation.


EDIT: Raj: Your comments are disturbing, to say the least. It sounds like you are saying that women who are promiscuous (and how exactly would you define "promiscuous?") deserve to have their credibility taken less seriously, as if the promiscuity (if it even exists) is a valid reason to think they might be being deceitful about the present rape charge. That doesn't even make sense to me. If a woman is "promiscuous", she's giving willing consent to sex, and if she says "no" (which would be, I'm assuming a rarity for one who is promiscuous), all the more reason to think her claim might indeed be valid!

Answer 8

The question I posed was that, by relying on the claim of an accuser (especially when substantial financial remuneration is involved) as "evidence" of unwillingness while disallowing details about her past willingness, does the legal system substantially lessen the burden of proof and, as a result the credibility of rape cases.

Every murder case requires proof of a death, so why do feminists believe that rape cases require no proof of rape?

Edit: Are you referring to my murder question as a straw-man? It is not a straw man because, like rape, it pertains to legal prosecution. Like a murder case, a rapist should be shown to have committed a rape. Elevating an accusation to evidence (which is what the feminists have done in their responses) lowers the credibility of rape convictions.

Edit: To TERA: My previous comments about "past willingness" went hand-in-hand with "promiscuity". Obviously sex within wedlock is not considered "promiscuous", so such a history should not, in my opinion, work against you.

Edit: To Mellie: And what of the case of the apparently disturbed girl who accused the guy she had apparently consenual sex with of rape a few questions down? Obviously, a rape kit isn't relevant, and yet most feminists responded that the guy was a rapist. Her mere accusation was sufficient enough "evidence".

Answer 9

The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam (Terrism Awareness)
(Graphic video). This is the video that was yanked from YouTube due to graphic images (presumably). We feel that while the suffering of another human being is disturbing, it is certainly not something that should be ignored.

Answer 10

Nancy Grace was HELL bent on destroying the Duke boys... She went OTT in condeming them using her 'show' as a tool of propaganda in order to destroy the boys & support the false accuser.

Has she apologised?

Has she done anything to help these boys she was so desperate to destroy?

No, as a feminist - she has shown America how far feminists will go to condem & destroy boys with NO evidence.... I'd say she's done a big disservice to genuine rape victims.