The "pagan" virtues extolled in ancient Greek and Rome as supplanted by Christian virtues...or are they? Does either trio speak to your beliefs, and why?
2007-12-02 04:44:02 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Arts & Humanities ➔ Philosophy
Well, I'd say they ALL speak to my beliefs. Faith, Hope and Charity are only a small part of the Christian faith. Wisdom, Courage and Moderation are definately encouraged in the Bible. The only reason Justice isn't is because Grace is God's answer and I think that Grace is a lot nicer than justice, for the most part. Does that help at all?
2007-12-02 04:48:30 · answer #1 · answered by Rebeckah 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
From all I've come to understand about true Christianity, all of the virtues mentioned are to be striven for.
The stress on faith, hope and charity forces one into a more selfless existence and so promotes a more Utopian lifestyle. It allows one to help the most people with the least amount of personal gain.
Wisdom, courage, moderation and justice are gifts that one often has to learn through trial and error, whereas you don't necessarily have to acquire any experience to learn just how valuable they are in everyday life.
You don't have to be very smart to have great amounts of faith, hope OR charity. Generally, you have to have some modicum of intelligence or common sense (and a good bit of self-control) to be able to really use the first four to your advantage.
In a way, the quest for justice often turns into an escapade for vengeance. While I wouldn't discourage it myself, people tend to take things into their own hands and go out of their way to find *their* version of justice, rather than letting it find its own way. Granted, this is an extreme but, one that happens frequently.
While I actively seek the 'old' ways, as you've said, I can live with the 'new' while attempting the old.
That may not be exactly what you're looking for, but I hope it gives you a good standpoint to work from, at least to start with. Hope it helps.
2007-12-02 05:01:03 · answer #2 · answered by Calypso Draggon 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
well to have faith is having wisdom and the courage to hope and to love is charity, moderation comes from wisdom. I see all these virtues working together if you are a christian. Do you know what it means to be a christian? It means to be like Christ. Now that is a tall order.
2007-12-02 07:38:27 · answer #3 · answered by carmella 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
First of all, I don't think that the use of the pagan (paganus meaning something like "rustic," "hick," "country bumpkin","civilian" , In the early Roman period and used to indicate non Christian in later perionds) really fits.
As for comparing two trios, it's a little one sided, as in this battle of words one side is in fact a quodro.
However I imagine that your question is based on the uses of words to control a populous.
In which
Faith replaces Wisdom, therefore you don't need to think about things as you have trust in god and state.
Hope replaces Courage as you no longer need it to fight against those who would do you wrong.
Charity replaces Moderation removing the sense of guilt for having too much and replacing it with the justification that giving a little of your horde to others makes everything alright.
Justice which in your scheme is on it's own, I suppose just disappears!
However being one who likes a nice fair fight I will put it up against belief.
Therefore Justice is replaced by belief making judgement an act of God, leaving no room to argue your case.
Neither quadro on it's own, speaks for my belief, (what ever is meant by that)
The first quadro WCMJ has always been part of my life as has the second. each concept has it's time and place.
they are very different in my perceived view, and only the same for the brain washed victims of the Aristocracy of church and state.
2007-12-02 06:23:55 · answer #4 · answered by Sly Fox [King of Fools] 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The former by a mile, faith is the same as hope in my eyes, charity is good but can't stand up to wisdom, courage, moderation and justice
Have a good day
2007-12-02 05:28:17 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
On reflecting upon this question for a bit, I find that they both speak to my beliefs. One is for the manner in which to best conduct your life, the other is the manner in which to best conduct your soul. Life should be lived with wisdom, courage, moderation and justice. The soul should be maintained with faith, hope and charity.
This "soul" is something I refer to which can be believed in even by those who don't believe in an afterlife - it would be our "inner workings" or what some call the "heart".
2007-12-02 05:05:57 · answer #6 · answered by uncleclover 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Aquinas postulated that faith, hope and love represent the fulfillment or perfection of the classical virtues. There is no necessity for a dialectical understanding in regards to these virtues.
2007-12-02 04:57:05 · answer #7 · answered by Timaeus 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
wisdom comes w/ age,courage comes from stupity,moderation is dping w/out something u didn't need to start w/,and we all no justice is blind,now what do u have left?
2007-12-02 05:10:56 · answer #8 · answered by THE"IS" 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
im gonna go ala carte
wisdom, courage, and faith (although faith in myself, not in god)
2007-12-02 05:07:37 · answer #9 · answered by the_honorable_spm 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
my personal favorite is "truth"....ummmm
2007-12-02 04:46:51 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋