Intriguing comments from former PLO member?

Question

A fellow YA user named CMW just posted this in the Religion section in response to a question.

It's a comment by Walid Shoebat, former PLO member, about Palestinian identity:

'We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian - until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of a sudden we ere Palestinians! They removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag...

When I finally re alised the lies and myths I was taught, it was my duty as a righteous person to speak out.'

Note: Jordan was created out of three quarters of the British mandate in 1921. It was then called Transjordan.

What do you all think? I felt it was very interesting.

To those who suggest we discredit this man, may I just clarify?

When I've used Jewish sources - you argue they are biased.

Now I've used a bona fides former PLO member - and now he too is suspect because he is now 'Christian'!

So tell me, who IS an acceptable source?

From what I gather, this man left the PLO when he realised that much of what was being said about Israel was mere fiction. And NONE of you who dismiss this man have addressed what he describes as rabid anti semitism within the ranks of the PLO etc - yet some of you have defended the PLO in this very forum!

Answer 1

We all know that when jordan controled the west bank there was no outcry of palestinians for a country, more than that there did not consider themselve palestinians, the same is true for gaza when it was controled by the egyptians.

i am just saying the truth.

now why give me a thumbs down? because i told the truth? pfff pathetic.

Answer 2

This is fascinating, and mostly unknown to the world.

The Arab Palestinian nationality (which was officially forged in 1964) is an entity defined by its opposition to Zionism (the Jewish national liberation movement) and not by its national aspirations.

Like a mantra, Arabs repeatedly claim that the Palestinians are a native people of Israel. The concept of a 'Stateless Palestinian people' is not based on fact. It is a fabrication!


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Answer 3

He is Christian.


EDIT:
B gave you the best answer. Great job B. Thank you.
So now you have watched the videos paperback (or maybe you didn't) do you still think that man is intriguing?
paperback, that man is a zionist christian. So the sources you gave is zionist, you are still giving us 'biased' sources.
You know what I am going to tell you something but please don't take it as an offense because this is a basic belief in our religion and if I deny it I deny my religion and I am not going to deny my religion because nobody likes to deny their religion. Muslims believe that the Jews corrupted both bibles, the old testament and the new testament so that it satisfies their needs. That is how the Jews could convince the christians that G-d gave Israel to the Jews, they added that claim to their bible. You say Jesus was Jewish and so people who worked with him and wrote the bible are more likely to be Jews and they could add any information to it.
I don't trust any christian source. I may trust Jewish sources but not christian. I don't always trust muslim sources but if it is like the ones B provided where we can see the person speaking, then it is definetly reliable.

Peace

Answer 4

You want to know whom you are dealing with?

The terrorist Arabs sing such songs as the following, recent TV broadcast, calling for Israel's destruction:

“Oh mother, they destroyed our house
The house of my brother and my neighbor [2X]
Do not be angry, oh mother, we got more stones [2X]
We are Palestinians, we are not terrorists [2X]

We have the right, oh mother, we want to bring our home back
Hand in hand, and arm in arm, we will protect your land, Palestine
We will pray in Al-Aqsa and the [Church] of the Nativity, Islam and Christians
[2X]
We will liberate [Palestine] the Land of Religions.
And we will build Jerusalem of the homelands.
We are the sons of glory, oh mother …

We are Palestinians we are not terrorists
We are the students of freedom we are not terrorists

Oh Arab, oh noble son, your blood is in my blood and your business is my business
Peace will be achieved through unity, oh my brother and cousin
The land is Arab in history and identity
Palestine is Arab in history and identity
We will live in peace, oh mother, and our lives will not be wasted
…
Oh mother, they destroyed our house
The house of my brother and my neighbor [2X]
Do not be angry, oh mother, our rocks increased [in number]

From Jerusalem and Acre, from Haifa and Jericho and Gaza and Ramallah [2X]
From Bethlehem and Jaffa, from Be’er Sheva and Ramla, [2X]
from Nablus to the Galilee, from Tiberias to Hebron [2x]


See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrlcVQo0kdg

Answer 5

Whatever you want to call them, the fact is that millions of people lost their homes and land through the creation of Israel. That is what needs to be addressed, not whether or not they identified as this or that nationality.

I would take what this guy says with a grain of salt, as he has become a Christian zionist. Those guys are against even their own Christian brethen when it comes to their support of Israel.

EDIT: Maybe nobody addressed the issue of "rabid anti-semitism" because you didn't bring it up! The most you said on that point was that the PLO taught that Israel should be destroyed. Perhaps in your mind that means the same thing, but in my mind it is something completely different. Having an extreme hatred for Jews is not the same thing as saying that Israel should not exist. One can like Jews and have no problem with people practicing their Jewish faith, EVEN IN THE HOLY LAND, and still not believe that Israel as a political entity had the right to take over the land and make hundreds of thousands of people into refugees in the process.

Now, if you want to talk about "rabid anti-semitism" among PLO members, that's fine, but just specify that that's what you want to talk about. Personally, I think that the struggle against injustice on the issue of Palestine, which is the duty of every Muslim, did morph into a diabolical bloodlust against Jews for being Jews. This is not what should be impelling us to action. That is not standing up against injustice, but tribal warfare.

EDIT to B: Good job!

Answer 6

A fact that Arabs would like to hide, since it is further proof that there is no such as thing as "Palestinian" nationality.
Pals are Syrians and Jordanians. Come on....
The excuse for Arabs is that Walid Shoebat is a "Racist Evangelical Zionist." How fickle, hehehehe....

Answer 7

East Jerusalem Arabs carry Jordanian passports.

Answer 8

I suggest we take him at face value.

Everything he says is absolutely correct.

Who cares if he is a Christian?

As if being a Christian is such a horrible thing?!

Answer 9

Walid Shoebat is a member of a "fanatic" sect (referring to his particular Evangelical Christian church) who makes "blatantly racist declarations against Islam" and believes that adherents to most Christian denominations are "false Christians".

Sheila Musaji said of Shoebat that "This is an extremist Christian terrorist. This is not a former terrorist. This is a man who used to hate Jews and now hates Muslims, who used to commit violence against Jews and now justifies violence against Muslims." In an article published in far-left Internet magazine CounterPunch in 2004, Will Youmans noted that Shoebat had never come under criminal investigation in the US for his alleged terrorist activities, nor had he been threatened with deportation, although two other Palestinians in the US had faced deportation proceedings because of their alleged involvement with terrorist groups. Youmans suggests that Shoebat is effectively immune from prosecution or deportation because of his pro-Israel views. He also argues that Shoebat's religious convictions, including the belief that Jews will be forced to "accept Christ or perish in hell" when the Rapture comes, are intrinsically anti-Semitic. Furthermore, Youmans contends that Shoebat's beliefs are incompatible with efforts towards peace, because of the premillennial, dispensational doctrine that the Second Coming of Christ will be hastened by conflict in the Middle East.

Answer 10

I have know about this for a while. It is just another part of the inconsistancies that exist within the call for the existence of a Palestinian nation-state.

Good Luck!!!