What the Heck Happened to My Country?

Question

We now torture people like the Nazis. We listen in on the private conversations of law abiding Americans. We start wars on false pretenses. We hire mercenary soldiers who get pumped on steroids and murder innocent civilians. We run a chamber of horrors prison camp and throw a bunch of privates and corporals in jail, and the Generals go scot free. We have Veteran's Hospitals that operate like they are from the Third World. We have 20 million illegal aliens in the country. Trillions are stolen by war profiteers and by stock fraud and no one goes to prison.


I am as patriotic as the next guy. I was in the U.S Army, as was my father, and my grandfather. But something happened. Italy voted for Mussolini. Germany voted for Hitler. Palestine voted for Arafat. And the majority of Americans voted for what we got in the White House. What happened to my country?

Gee Boomer Wisdom, I love your argument technique of making ridiculous statements and trying to pretend that your opponent said them.

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My father (who agrees with my political views) should be ashamed of me, because I don't hold YOUR political views? OK, well at least we know you don't hold the faculty chair in logic at your local university.

You talk about my family, and you know nothing about them. But I guess you are in the habit of discussing things you lack information about.

Answer 1

It's called the decline of empire.
The USA is bankrupted by foreign wars that only increase the wealth of the already rich while the poor people get poorer.
It will only get worse

Answer 2

You are not only ignorant of the facts and the history of this great country, you are as unpatriotic as it comes. Your knowledge of global Geo-politics and foreign policy in the nuclear 21st century would not fill a thimble.

Your grandfather and father never whined like you have either.

Your exaggerations about Bush are so far out there as to be basically silly and therefore undeserving of an adult response. For starters, Bush doesn't sell rooms at the White House like its a Holiday Inn. He does not use the Oval Office as a bordello either.

OUR country is just fine but there are quite a number of ignorant, whiney, under educated citizens who hold voting rights.

Answer 3

I have to answer to a part of this. A lot of people say that the USA started the war in Iraq under false pretenses because no weapons of mass destruction were found. What people tend to forget are the circumstances leading up to that point. Iraq was under and agreement with, and the order of, the United Nations, to allow inspectors into the country to verify that there were no weapons of mass destruction. Iraq under Saddam Hussein refused to allow those inspectors in -- in other words, to avoic conflict we were suppoed to take Hussein's word for it that no weapons like that existed or were being produced. We were supposed to take the word of a regim that regulary slaughtered hundreds and thousands of its own people, ignore thier agreement and the order of the United Nations, let him defy those agreements and orders, and simply do nothing.

Do I think the war was prosecuted properly? No, I think there have been serious errors in many parts of it. But do I think that the President and his administration lightly entered into this was under false pretenses, the motive for which makes no sense whatsoever? Not for a minute. I don't think it had to do with oil, or revenge, or anything but what it was supposed to be ---- the attempt to verify that an evil leadership of a terribly oppressed people was not preparing to unleash incredible devestation on his own people, or neighboring countries, as he had done before.

What happened to your country? I think the biggest problem is that not many people get the facts right.

Answer 4

Well, first of all, about 40% of the country voted in 1992, to elect a guy who had no interest in protecting the country. No act of terrorism between 1992 and 2001 was ever addressed.

We torture like Nazis? You don't know much about what they did...running a little water up a guy's nose to get him to spill about other terror plots is hardly the same as cutting off his testicles.

Those "private" conversations are the ones coming in from countries designated as hostiles. The surveillance program does NOT monitor domestic calls, unless one or the other party is the subject of a legal wiretap. By the way, will you support prosecuting Hillary for HER illegal wiretappings during the Whitewater/bimbo erruption scandals?

Hussein should have been gone after the first time, when he invaded Kuwait and then set the oilfields on fire. But we let him off the hook, and he spent the next ten years funding and training terrorists. 9/11 was false pretenses??? I bet the people who were there don't think so.

Chamber of Horrors???? PUHLEEEZE. They were taken on the field of battle, not pulled out of line waiting to pray at a mosque. They are at Gitmo for being murderous thugs, and we have used them to thwart subsequent plots. And the last I heard, we have not beheaded any elderly aid workers.

If you think VA hospital problems are new, you aren't very bright. My dad died in a VA Hospital back in the 90's...surgical error. Clinton cut back on the spending, and the VA, already at the back of the line, was using mostly Filipino staff. I'd rather be treated by my veterinarian.

20 million illegals??? Well WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?? No president since Theodore Roosevelt has had a spine when it comes to immigration policies. My brother was with US Customs on the Mexican border, until Clinton made it impossible for them to do their jobs...he transferred to the MidWest.

YOU happened to your country....you are pessimistic and disloyal, and your father and grandfather should be ashamed. You need to adjust your attitude.

Answer 5

My fellow veteran...

Many will call you unpatriotic or worse for what you have just said but I completely understand where you are coming from. I served in OIF 1 in 2003. After Bush was re-elected I left the military because quite frankly, the American people were not worth my life anymore. I watched the country lose all of its credibility with its allies. I saw a war go awry, the dollar tank, and corruption multiply a thousand time in 4 years. And Bush got to keep his job...
You are not unpatriotic, you are frustrated, like I am. Frustrated that you sacrificed so much of your life to see a corrupt government piss it all away. But let us just clear up that I have seen no evidence that we are torturing people, especially not like the Nazis. I do agree with most of the rest of what you say.
You are taking so much heat because I am betting that those who have replied to this question have not served. They do not know what its like to be in this position. DO not relize that neither the Dems nor the Repubs have their interests or the nation's for that matter, at heart.
Your grandfather and father would be proud to know that you recognize the threats that creep upon their legacies. Hell the founding father's would be proud of you for speaking up. What they faced from Britain is nothing compared to what our own government is doing to us today. They would be stark raving mad that the government had become so powerful and corporations so pervasive in our lives. They would not recognize us as the people they left their country to.
I feel you pain brother... I feel your pain.

Answer 6

what happened is exactly what you said, we voted, actually SOME voted. A democracy only works if people believe in it. If you look at the number of eligible voters that are actually voting, which is about 42 percent, you can see why Bush was elected and re-elected. I mean come on, 58 percent of eligible voters AREN'T voting. Also, those who do not vote consist of the working (lower) class, women, people 18-25, and minorities. Obviously the elected candidate will protect and help those who voted for him.
Basically, people are not voting and many are also being lied to, also Americans seem to have a short term memory if you know what I mean.

Answer 7

I'm very sorry that you have been spied upon and tortured. I am sorry that you are unhappy that we enforced the conditions of the Armistice of the First Gulf War, after Saddam broke the conditions of the agreement for 12 years. I am sorry you listen to enemy propaganda endlessly; you know it vexes you so.

Also sorry to say, Bush tossed the Enron guys into the slammer, even though they committed the dirty deeds throughout the Clinton Administration's reign.

So relax.

Answer 8

they are slipping away interior thechronic to make usa extra comfortable and being concerned. in case you could purely enable the government make all your existence possibilities for you you could have a extra narrow existence. good success to you...

Answer 9

this rant is eight years late, buddy. how about instead of ranting about the past eight years we make sure to pay attention to the candidates we have now.

Answer 10

i don't know and it won't end nicely.