Are there really 'liberals'?

Question

I don't mean the dictionary liberals....I mean the strawman creation that the right wing talk show bozos are always going on about. Are there really so many people with real power, position and authority that 'hate America', want to raise your taxes, don't 'support' the troops and all that other jazz to actually be some kind of threat? Most people hold moderate, live and let live opinions and nobody wants to impose either socialisim or communisim on the United States. I think it's a phoney issue. The 'liberals' are anyone not fully on board with the Bush Junta! Wadda' 'ya think?

Answer 1

Yes unfortunately they do exist,one is now Speaker Of The House,what a sad day for America. They are there,and they are damaging to America,but I guess some don't care.

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Answer 2

Noah, I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative. I try to be issue specific. I agree with you. I know few Republicans I would honestly call mean spirited, and I know absolutely no Democrats that hate America or don't support the troops. (To be fair, I live in west Texas, and know far more Republicans, so I'd be likely to see a wider spectrum of behavior.)

I think many of the posts here are intended to provoke diatribes and are not really intended as "debate" or "question" at all. I would love to have civil discussion of issues, and I'm not finding them often here. Yet I keep coming back here. I sometimes ignore the rants and I sometimes take the bait.

Perhaps those of us who see the bizarre use of over generalization and misrepresentation should just let "them," whoever "they" are, have their little hissy fits unchallenged so that there would be no one to argue with.
I doubt that pointing the hyperbole out will really make much difference, but like you seem to, I feel compelled sometimes to fight the good fight.

Answer 3

What people like Hannity and Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Coulter, call Liberals, do not exist. Real Liberals are good people who want change and believe that change is needed. We are not necessarily moderates at all. The Dalai Lama, for example, is in no way a moderate. My own political views are a very close match with the Dalai Lama's views. Neocons, such as the four mentioned above, like to propagandize Liberals as somehow evil, and demonic, and dangerous, because we want changes that threaten their New World Order agenda, and the status quo. We don't agree with the Bush agenda, and we don't want the kind of world that we will have if the New World Order comes to be. *sm*

Answer 4

I've been saying that for a while now. The Bush groupies define anyone who is NOT racist, homophobic, uneducated, ignorant, uninformed, hateful, greedy, an ultra right wing Christian conservative, a pro-war nut, a moron, etc....as a liberal.

In their eyes you're either super right wing retarded or you're an America hating liberal. No gray area. Just black and white. There is a reason the Cons are losing support every day. There is a reason the majority of the country doesn't agree with these idiots. These people are NUTS. They represent the garbage of America and should be destroyed like a sick animal.

Answer 5

No those stereotypes are cardboard creations that only exist in the minds of right wing reactionaries.

The problem with conservatives isn't the everyday conservatives themselves; it's the people they listen to. Conservative leaders, in their vilification of liberals, tell so many lies about what liberals are supposed to believe, support, say, do, etc., that the everyday conservatives end up hating a fictional enemy. If what the pundits said about liberals was true, I'd be a hardcore conservative.

If liberals were so terrible, these pundits and politicians would have no reason to lie at all. They could just recite facts and let them stand for themselves. Instead they take part in character assassination and avoid speaking about actual issues. They make blanket statements that have no basis in fact. What's worse is that many of them cloak their rhetoric in a pseudo-Christian guise to act as if God is somehow on their side (even though the Bible basically tells them to pray quietly and stay out of politics).

Virtually all of the lies that are told about liberals are easily shattered with the barest attempt at rationality and reason. The facts stand for themselves, yet so much mud is slung that the facts are like gems buried under several feet of mud. The facts are there, and are obvious and clear, but unfortunately one must dig through all the crap that is spewed in order to bring them to light. When one digs a handful of it away, the pundits are expert at piling on even more crap, or more often, will distract and divert away from the digging.

Answer 6

I get labeled a liberal in this forum all the time. I am in fact a fiscal conservative and don't care one bit for GWB. Both his leadership and fiscal policy leaves much to be desired, in my opinion.
Pretty much what you say is true. If you are not a social conservative, you are a liberal in the eyes of the Reaganites who run the Republican party today.

Answer 7

maybe like .01 percent of actual liberals are those kind of "liberals"...

it would be like calling all Republicans KKK mountain people who sleep with their cousins and have strange deformed inbred mountain children and have no electricity or running water...

it's just not correct, but may be a certain .01 percent of the party...

the only difference is... it seems like liberals joke about the propaganda... and republicans believe their propaganda

Answer 8

Yea, if one does not agree you get the label. Its about opinion and the right to believe different than the crowd.

Answer 9

I think you are correct. I am a moderate, but can't stand Conservative bluster...so label myself a liberal, because I can't stand the Bill O'Riley crowd.

Answer 10

I'm creating a scarecrow which I will stuff with straw and call "liberal" so there will be at least one.