If fossils form over long periods of time, how come they formed instantly when Mt St Helen Blew???

Question

How do evolutionists explain this event? And how about the Creationist explanation?

#1 I thought there were no absolutes with you folks???
#2 A fossil, is a fossil, is a fossil- the fact is they were formed instantly not over hundreds or thousands of years soooo all I asked you to do was explain it!
#3 This is my question, we'll address yours on your nickel
#4 how can you make such accusations of dishonesty. Fact is fossils formed instantly. No matter your belief that is a fact so explain it and stop cowering behind your arrogance!
With all the speculative nonsense this question should at the very least be food for thought for all, even the layman as you call them.

Answer 1

Evolutionists can't explain it, they just rant about how those of us who know the only truth are being dishonest and ignorent.

Things like instant fossils put a real thorn in their side because it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is only 6000 years old exactly like the Bible says it is. The liberal athiest that are running evolution hide most fossils like that from the public but on something as well known as that erruption they just can't get it hidden in time. They'll lie and discredit those fossils as fakes like they try to on the Paluxy human and dinosaur tracks found together, or the amazing stuff found by Ed Conrad.

But don't you pay much attentions to fossils anyway, they are not much more that pavingstones for a path to Hell.

Answer 2

First of all fossils are evidence of life from a prehistoric time. This means that they are at least 6000 years old since that is about how far back it is believed that man started documenting events. some paleontologists say the age has to be 10000 years before it is a fossil, however all agree that they have to be old.

Mt. St. Helen's erupted in 1980. This is hardly old enough to call anything preserved a fossil. The remains of plants and animals that were preserved may one day become fossil, but they are not now.

Also, the preservation of these remains of past life must occur rapidly or the will not have any chance of becoming fossils. They will decay, get eaten, or destroyed by other natural causes.

Evolutionist don't really care about how a fossil is formed, they only care about how life changes through time.

Creationist believe in the literal words of the bible when it is convenient and try to put meaning to it when they don't understand what it is saying. fossils don't fit into the bible well so they tend to say that they are not very old.

Both evolutionist and creationist hay misrepresented fossil to further there own points of views.

So from a purely scientific stand point you can say that the act of preservation can happen instantly, but the process of being classified as a fossil take a long period of time.

Answer 3

1: Your "If" statement is not about something considered absolute by geologists. It is GENERALLY true, but quite variable for a number of reasons. Normally absolutes are the domain of a religious dogma anyway, such as the ones that got Galileo's works banned.

2. Even if all fossils did form instantly, that in no way would require them to all form at the same time, nor even over a period of time less than the billions of years currently accepted. And they are still in the same order in the geologic record, which clearly shows a clear progressive evolution from less complex life to the forms we have today. Had St. Helens produced some new fossils of dinosaurs and other ancient life and placed them in a randomized vertical order, that might take some explaining. I also doubt the organisms have total replacement by a mineral like silica, as is common in fossils.

3: It's very unlikely anyone with any Earth Sciences knowledge would mistake your "fossils" from St. Helens as ancient. As such, they have "disproved" evolution theory as effectively as encasing a registered dog in cement would disprove the concept of lineages used by breeders.

4. If fossils form instantly, why does anything decay? Does this mean I need to look into putting up mammoth-proof fencing since they have found remains of them that aren't stone? (i.e. explain the taphonomic features usually found in fossils.)

5. What is the objective that it requires use of dishonest tactics based on ignorance designed to plant doubts about science in the minds of the less informed of the laymen? I certainlly hope the reason has nothing to do with "enlightenment". I just wonder if those who ask these questions are knowingly part of the charlatanistic scheme, or have just been duped by those who are.

Answer 4

I'm staying out of all that noise, but I just want to ask what do you mean by a fossil. A fossil to me is a physical trace of a once-living entity.

It could be a footprint, it could be a piece of a shell, a bone, the entire creature (like an insect trapped in amber). Sometimes these things are pristine and seem like new yet are found under circumstances that a recent origin is very difficult to envisage. Some of these things clearly formed under an event of very short duration and must have been rapidly preserved to even be found today. I don't see how this is inconsistent with your identification of fossilized remains produced by a recent volcanic eruption.

Take your example. I don't know much about the particular "fossils" you are asking about, but I do know that when Pompeii blew about 2000 years ago, humans were essentially instantaneously encased in the ash, and hollow molds were found within the past 100 years or so, that when filled with plaster, revealed fairly detailed reproductions of the trapped people.

I don't see where there is a conflict between evolutionary theory and your proposed evidence.

Answer 5

Many organisms were instantly covered and preserved with the massive amount of debris and ash that emanated from St. Helen's. End of story. Not much more complicated than that. I would not call these preservations fossils, however. The word fossil, despite definition, implicates ancient life.

Its very similar to How people and animals were instantly preserved in Pompeii. Now I wouldn't call those things "fossils", either, but they are preservations of life, that happened very quickly compared to traditional methods of fossilization.

I think someone mentioned "mummified". That's a much better description.

Answer 6

My friend.....Where did you get this "fact" that fossils were formed instantly....Please post it
Fossils are created when an organic subject is buried under tremendous pressure..... quartz and other minerals infiltrate and replace the organic material....... a "fossil' is not the actual animal or plant......it is the "hole" left by that subject that is filled with quartz
That would be impossible instantly. More than likely you have confused "fossil" with "mummified"......now that is possible

See if you can figure this out......I am BOTH an evolutionist and a creationist

Answer 7

Wow, a question based on nonsense with not even a reference to the location of any supporting evidence. Not a single clue as to what you call a fossil and therefore no way to make a connection between your mistake and reality. Sounds just like creation to me.
Besides, it is creationists who define fossils as forming over a long period of time, which they usually do, but under exactly right conditions, they can form quickly - not in rock but in soft materials.

Answer 8

Boy, you are awfully closed minded for a 'free thinker'

No sense in trying to explain anything to you.