Is it any less sexist and degrading to say men are just controlled by their sex drives than to say women are..

Question

just PMSing or just driven by their biological clock?

Lioness, no one is "forcing" anything. People say sexist and degrading things all the time and aren't being arrested. I am just wondering if people agree in what to call such claims, not trying to have anyone censored or sanctioned.

Answer 1

Women who say that men are only controlled by their sex drives are, 98% of the time, just bitter because they flubbed up a relationship in the past and need to vent about something inconsequential to make their dumb asses feel better.

Most of the art we appreciate was created by a man or by men. Most of the buildings we see and enjoy today were built from the sweat of men, and men all around the world throughout history have governed people, shaped civilizations, and raised children.

So, yeah. To say that all that men are stupid horndogs is short-sighted and smacks of this sitcom-esque "polarization of the sexes" dynamic that too many people still find funny. It's just so much easier to develop the attitude that we all act the same more than we act different.

By the way, sorry for the blunt wording. I'm in something of a bad mood today.

Answer 2

I don't see anything sexist in stating biological fact. Maybe putting the JUST in there is a bit problematic. Men and women are more than JUST their biology. But it is true that men are driven by their sexual desire. It is true that women are effected by hormonal changes. I just wouldn't distill it down to the essence of men or women. There are many other factors.

Answer 3

Everyone, male and female, is capable of controlling their sex drives and their sexual urges.

People who say otherwise are using a fallacious excuse for poor behaviour, and yes, it is not just sexist but very insulting to men to say they are penis-driven.

Unfortunately, some men do seem to regard such comments as complimentary, probably because the suggestion they are huge raging bags of testosterone feeds into all kinds of stupid macho posturing and fantasy-fulfilment-desire.

They do themselves a disservice, but often don't see it as the immediate benefits appear to outweigh other considerations.

Cheers :-)

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EDITED to say ~ Yes, I should add "except for those (few) people with certain mental illnesses".

Answer 4

They're both sexist but you know,I do have to admit that Lioness made some good points.

Answer 5

No. Of course it's sexist - otherwise, the terms "men" and "women" wouldn't be used.

As to whether it is degrading - that depends on whether you want to be part of the group that is being labeled by their supposed behaviour. if a woman was called a "slut", she would probably take offence to it. Say the same thing to a man, and you have a pretty good chance that he'll not ne offended - in fact, he may actually be proud of it. Or, like other men (myself included), he may be insulted and deeply offended. So, it's not necessarily the terminology that's degrading, but how you decide to take it in reference to yourself. Language, in and of itself, is neither good nor bad - only we judge and decide that for ourselves.

Answer 6

Both are sexist, IMO.

Sure, some men are crazy "horndogs", and some women let PMS control them completely.. It doesn't mean you should generalize them all, that is pretty aggravating.

I personally can't stand it when PMS['cept maybe for the more extreme cases like Tera pointed out] or sex drives are used as excuses to conduct yourself in a bad/rude manner.

*I almost feel guilty submitting this post because I know that there are probably gonna say the same exact thing.. :\*

Answer 7

I can control my instincts and biological processes, and I expect the same from any sane person.
Lioness: oh, yeah? first, lets forget the fact that your statement discriminates male homosexuals, and then, just because some barbaric ancient men (who casually considered love as something between two males, and used women for purely reproductive ends), started wars over women, doesnt mean WE PRESENTLY HAVE A WEAKNESS FOR VAGINAS. What you are saying is like saying that women are the downfall of civilizations just because cleopatra was one indeed. Not so nice or sensical in reverse, right?
EDIT: men dont have a weakness for vaginas, we just prefer them than the opposite, and the only proof you have for your claim, rests on a bunch of homos 3000 years ago.
And the fact that homosexuals are currently a minority, doesn't justify your discrimination.

Answer 8

Well, for one thing, pms is one a month. A man's sexual thoughts are not. Pms affects a woman's moods once a month, since it's a fleeting thing, it doesn't affect her every day. Behaving like a sexist pig is something that is conditioned through personal experiences like upbringing, social and personal relationships. How a man feels about sex is one thing, but he can at least exercise control over his actions if he chooses to.

Answer 9

Nope.

It's a sexist comment.

Answer 10

We ALL have sexual needs and drives...(o.k. a few don't..but most of us do). But to say that we can't control ourselves because we have these drives is ridiculous. Apparently some people's parents have entirely missed the boat when it comes to teaching their kids about being responsible, accountable, and teaching emotional self-regulation, self-discipline and independence. Anyone, regardless of gender, who projects blame onto others for their own wrong-doing or mistakes and refuses to take any responsibility for the consequences of their own actions seriously needs to GROW UP!

Sorry, but I'm thoroughly disgusted by some of the things I read in this forum.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that in severe cases of PMS, it has been found that there are biochemical changes in the brain that cause a real and clinical type of depression. Being irresponsible and immature is not the same thing, nor do depressed people tend to be those who project blame onto others. In fact, depressed people tend to blame themselves for things that aren't even their own fault. (It's a symptom of depression.)

EDIT: Lioness, I don't agree. Men don't have a "weakness for vagina", they have had a weakness in following the same principles that they expect women to follow. Historically they've had attitudes of entitlement. Women are just as sexually-driven as men, but learn to manage their impulses and exercise some level of self-control. Men can learn this too. (The fact is most DO eventually learn this!) It's a weak excuse to say that they can't. It gives them "permission" to act however they want to, without regard to others, and allows them to take no responsibility for their actions. The result: a nice little wrapped up package of entitlement, with a cool little bow of denial on top, while women are stuck in a position of sexual repression and sexual oppression with a heaping dose of blame on the side. Merry Christmas!