Why would anyone let the truth get in the way of an agenda , This was not intended to be a Christian Nation .?

Question

Show me the christians who founded the nation .

Show me documents not kept and stored by religious groups used to persecute early settlers .

At one time this land was big enough to relocate away from religious groups but they claimed and purchased much of the land and the indoctrinated people worked to shape and control communities .

The real founders would be upset at our nation for adopting the principles of Christianity and the rapid spread of it across the nation .

Christians realized early on they needed to control the government before they were wiped out by men like Jefferson and the founding fathers .

Religion is not freedom but rather a method to persecute others .
This is what many people left . And as the middle class left Europe the churches followed to get their pound of flesh anyway they could .
Indoctrinated followers are encouraged to leave their wealth to the lords work .

What actual good works have really been done .

Answer 1

Wow. Better grab some wood, my friend. Your opinion is about to be crucified. One of the things I find interesting, is a phenomenon I will call the "momentum of myth." Regardless of what people are shown, their own perception (left, sadly, critically unchallenged by fact), continues to dictate what they see. Ironically, those who sing "I once was blind, but now I see," might as well accompany lemmings off a cliff...

Answer 2

Has anyone ever forced you to believe what they believe over threat of death? Oh wait, that only happens in other forms of government, like socialism, communism, etc.

Our country was founded on the belief of rugged individualism, and that our rights are natural rights, granted not by governments but by our Creator.

As for religion, the founding fathers intended that we would be free to worship any way we want, without government control. The supposed "seperation of church and state" was to keep the Government out of Religion -- not to keep Religion out of Government.

You close your question with "What actual good works have really been done?"

You've got to be kidding me? The Christians you so happily bash have done much good in the world.

Ever heard of the Salvation Army, the Red Cross, Samaritan's Purse? Many soup kitchens and homeless shelters are run by Christians. Much of the aid we give third world countries comes from Christian organizations. Many Christians have adopted orphans from overseas. Conservatives outdonate liberals year after year. Do you want me to continue?

Even if you choose to have no religious belief, you cannot argue that Christians have done nothing good.

Answer 3

They US Constitution does not say that this can't be a Christian Nation. In fact it states the opposite. This government grants the freedom of any religion including Christianity. It also says that the government cannot interfere in any religion. Why would Jefferson wipe out someone with different beliefs. Is he your hero, is that where you get your intolerence of those who have rights?

Do me a favor...look at a phone book, or google homeless shelters in your town. Call them up and ask them if they are backed by a church, an individual, a corporation or the government, then get back to me.

Answer 4

This is a discriminating view. Please be specific which Christian principles you would outlaw.

I hope it is not Do on to others as you would have done to you.
I hope it is not Forgive them for they know not what they do.
and I hope it is not only a man with out sin can stone the adulteress.

These are the words of Jesus according to Gospel.

So what Christian ideology do you have a problem with?

I am speculating that you have come across Christians that do not follow the preaching of Jesus.

I also have been appalled at the twisted interpretations of the words of Bible. I am ashamed of the use religion to perpetrate all sorts of evil. We have laws against all of this but of late if you have enough money you can get away with murder, genocide, declaration of war.

God gave the curse/blessing of choice and that is why we must be vigilant and aware all men are capable of evil and must be dealt with swiftly.

It seems impossible to thwart the idolation of money and people.

Answer 5

If religion founded this country, we'd still be believing in Divine Right of Kings. Obviously some people still do.
Since this Religious/political doctrine was violated when the British were kicked back to their little Island, I'd say it is more likely founded in Sin, but that little minor technicality doesn't factor in, like anything else that doesn't fit into the narrow beliefs of right-wing fanatics.

Answer 6

I rather hope you like to read and have the intestinal fortitude to do so.

Benjamin Franklin
1787 - Motion for Prayers in the Constitutional Convention
Category: God
And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? or do we imagine we no longer need its assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth, that God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a Sparrow cannot fall to the Ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?
Reference: Franklin Collected Works, Lemay, ed., 1138.

John Adams
1776 - Thoughts on Government
Category: God
It is the duty of all men in society, publicly, and at stated seasons, to worship the SUPREME BEING, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping GOD in the manner most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship.
Reference: The Works of John Adams, Charles Adams, ed., 221.

George Washington
1789 - Thanksgiving Proclamation
Category: God
It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.
Reference: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (543)

George Washington
1790 - letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport
Category: God
May the father of all mercies scatter light, and not darkness, upon our paths, and make us in all our several vocations useful here, and in His own due time and way everlastingly happy.
Reference: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (548)


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Answer 7

This is a can of worms and a half....!!

Truly religion is NOT a way to persecute others. It is the INTERPRETATION of those outside the religion (not the same as FAITH!) that misconstrue it's meaning that causes the issues.

This country was founded on FAITH. This is fact.

In the courtroom people need to place their hand on a Bible and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth "so help me God".

The pledge of allegiance says "One nation under God".

Our currency says "In God we trust".

In the time of the Inquisition the Spaniards came over with their Catholicism and forced the Indians to convert regardless of what the Indians believed. The were believed to be heathens and savages because they didn't believe the same things as the Spaniards. The Spaniards persecuted people for not having their same religion regardless if you believed in the same God.

This was all centuries ago and is no longer the case here in the US. We no longer persecute people for their religion, however, we do criticize people for their FAITH.

Answer 8

Alexander Hamilton

The Episcopalian authored many of the Federalist Papers, signed the Constitution, and became the first Secretary of the Treasury. In an April 1802 letter to James A. Bayard, Hamilton proposed The Christian Constitutional Society:


In my opinion, the present consitution is the standard to which we are to cling. Under its banner bona fide must we combat our political foes, rejecting all changes but through the channel itself provided for amendments. By these general views of the subject have my reflections been guided. I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated "The Christian Constitutional Society," its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. second: The support of the United States.

Hamilton was shot and killed by Aaron Burr in a duel on July 12, 1804. His last dying words reportedly were:


I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.

Patrick Henry

Best known for his "give me liberty or give me death" speech on March 23, 1775, he became the first governor of Virginia.


One of his most famous quotes, cannot be verified, although it's used by many Christian ministers: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" It's not found anywhere in his recorded writings or speeches.

However, here's a verified quote from a letter to his daughter dated August 20, 1796:


Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said by the deists that I am one of the number; and indeed, that some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than the appellation of Tory; because I think religion of infinitely higher importance than politics; and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so long, and have given no decided and public proofs of my being a Christian. But, indeed, my dear child, this is a character which I prize far above all this world has, or can boast.

Answer 9

Wrong. The list and source are listed below. Our founding fathers intent was that they be allowed to "practice" their religion without interference "from" the government, but the vast majority were in fact christians and they wanted to protect that.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

Answer 10

Your writing style is disjointed and irregular, making your post nearly incromprehensible.

Also, most of your historical "facts" aren't actually facts.

Every single signer of the declaration of independence was a public christian. There is some evidence that a very few were "closet atheists", but they all at least payed lip-service to christianity and christian ideals.

While I agree that the USA should not be a theocracy, we must acknowledge the fact that it was founded on a religious basis.

Answer 11

all who were involved in the founding of this country were of religious faith.. namely Christianity... so, yes, in a sense we were founded on Christian principles.. but, they did see the problem with Church and State being in bed with each other.. and they made laws accordingly.. were we founded by people who worshipped Satan? or a Tree? or the Sun? no... the first people to settle this country from over seas were Quakers and Protestants.. religion was MUCH more accepted by people in that time than there is now.. that's why we are having this discussion.. religion is not the most important thing in people's lives anymore...