If we have to give up any players (well, just Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Lester-Youkilis' name has been thrown around a few times) then count me out. They are the future of the Red Sox. I would rather have a good, solid team in five years that will be greatly competitive, then just a few good years now. Well, maybe I'm a little attatched to them, but still, we're set in the rotation (we have enough starters) but I don't want to give up Lester or Buchholz. We've already prayed for Lester to fight back from cancer, and cheered when Buchholz threw his no-hitter, so how can we forget that, and say,''What the hell, let's ship them to Minnesota for Santana?" Don't get me wrong, he's a great pitcher, but I don't want to give up prospects to get him.
What are your thoughts?
2007-11-27 23:17:36 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Sports ➔ Baseball
And I apologize if I made any weird wordings or mistakes in grammar and punctuation-it's almost 7:30 here in New England, and I'm not exactly a morning person. Just thought I would kill time by coming on here.
Have a good day
2007-11-27 23:21:49 · update #1
As you know I am not that big a Red Sox fan, but if it keeps him out of NY--then do whatever you have too.
2007-11-27 23:22:12 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 9⤋
I am a huge Red Sox fan and I don't think it would be a good deal for the Future of the Red Sox to deal 2,3, or even maybe 4 possible young studs for Santana. Red Sox fans have a lot to look forward to and be excited about for the next 10 years or so (with Bucholz, Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury). The Red Sox won the World Series last year because their young guys stepped up on Baseball's biggest stage. That's just the start of the potential this team has for the future. Santana is not the future. He is an answer for right now. But, they don't need an answer. Their starting rotation will look something like this:
1) Beckett
2) Schilling
3) Dice-K
4) Wakefield
5) Clay Bucholz
6) Jon Lester
I can tell you this. I live in Minnesota and I have not heard any mention of the Red Sox being part of the Santana trade (at least on a serious level). Breathe easy.
2007-11-28 09:29:09 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Elliot - I'm with Dr. J above me. If it comes down to prospects vs. a proven Cy Young-award winner, you've gotta' take the proven commodity in Santana. That's especially true given that he's only 28 and is likely just hitting his prime years.
I don't know if I'd give up a package of Pedroia, Ellsbury, Bucholz and Lester - that seems a little excessive - but I'd definitely deal Lester and one of those two position players. Santana is an enormous upgrade over Lester, and I'm sure the Sox could find replacement offensive players for whoever they dealt.
I'm all for using the system for development of young players, but you can't fall in love with prospects. Part of the reason for developing guys like this is so you can turn around and deal them for stars like Santana, or others who will help your team. Pat Gillick was a master of this in Toronto, and I think Theo would jump at the chance if the asking price isn't too crazy. Guys like Santana come along once in a generation, and you have to seize an opportunity to get him when it presents itself.
2007-11-28 09:54:50 · answer #3 · answered by Craig S 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I'd love to see the Sox get Santana. While I am a fan of them both, I seriously doubt that either Lester or Clay will be a Santana, and you can only pitch one pitcher at a time (especially important in the playoffs). I think giving up Youk or Pedroia would be nuts, but the others you mention, maybe packaged with Crisp, would not hurt us that much. They look great now - just like the Yankees young arms do- but you really don't know how they're going to do over 162 games.
remember that Santana is also only 28. That gives the Sox a Big 3 rotation of Beckett, Santana and Matsuzaka. Assuming that DiceK adapts, that could be the best combination of starters in the majors for at least 5-6 years. That allows for plenty of time to develop more minor league talent.
Also consider that our sluggers aren't getting any younger. I think we need to push to win now, and continue to develop for the future.
2007-11-28 08:08:57 · answer #4 · answered by rob 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
HUGE Red Sox fan here... The Sox already have a very strong rotation: Beckett, Matsuzaka, Schilling, Lester, Bucholz, Wakefield (injury?)... Honestly I'd love to see an ace lefty like Santana in that line-up as well, but the Sox are more apt to drive the price up for the Yankees ($$$ and prospects) and then back away in the eleventh hour. As the paper said this morning "de-forest the Yankee farm system". The market price is inflated for Santana, whoever gets him will give too much.
2007-11-28 07:47:14 · answer #5 · answered by NH_MCD 3 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Yeah, Minnesota is definitely looking for an awful lot for him. I'd be a little scared of Santana in Fenway, just because he tends to give up a lot of high fly homers. I'd love to see Santana in that rotation though.
Look for the Redsox to offer Coco Crisp, Lester, and someone from Pawtucket for Santana.
Well, that's assuming the Yankess don't get through with the classic c0ck block against the Redsox.
2007-11-28 15:39:28 · answer #6 · answered by joecon113 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I love Santana, but I can't see the Sox giving up that many high caliber, young players. Not for a lefty in Fenway.
They'd be willing to part with Lester - but not Pedroia or Ellsbury - who have both shown they can play at the ML level successfully (this is not the same a prospect, like Hanley Ramirez was - who had never played any time in the bigs)
I'd send any unproven prospect they have in AA or AAA, plus Lester - and maybe even Bucholz; but Pedroia and Ellsbury are untouchable to me.
Yankees are going to get him though - Hughes,Kennedy, and Melky will probably get it done.
2007-11-28 08:04:10 · answer #7 · answered by mikep426 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
I'd love to see Santana with us, but not at the expense of losing any of the players you mentioned. Pedroia? Youk? Ellsbury? OMG the thought of that makes me crazy! However, the thought of the Yanks getting him makes me nuts too, seems to be the lesser of the 2 evils though.
2007-11-28 09:36:05 · answer #8 · answered by Boston_Irish 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I think it doesnt matter because a few years down the road the Red Sox will be trying to buy out another star. Thats how they do business, thats how they do great. Wait til players grow into great players and then buy them out. (ie like everyone on their team minus pedroia and ellsbury)
Yankee's are the same way.
2007-11-28 07:35:10 · answer #9 · answered by Luis T 2 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Sacrifices are always difficult to make when faced with what benefits the team the best. I am a Yankees fan, but I have to hand it to Theo, he has built a high caliber team that has won two championships in a short amount of time. I think that he will do what he feels is best for the future of the Red Sox
2007-11-28 08:10:55 · answer #10 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Elliot - you are a nice kid. But don't fall into the prospect trap. Prospects are nice, but hardly any ever turn out to be as good as we think they will be. In fact, most dissappoint more than anything. Santana has proven he is maybe the best pitcher in all of baseball. Take the sure thing every time!
2007-11-28 09:46:27 · answer #11 · answered by ? 4 · 3⤊ 2⤋