Over the years the status of how "good" goalies are, changes based on how their stats change. For example, Marty Brouduer is seen by many sports analysts as not a great goaltender.
I'd say over half of goals scored in the NHL are based on how good the players are as opposed to how bad the goalie is. A lot of goals scored couldn't be stopped by any goalie. And goaltenders with bad supporting defenses tend to give up more goals because the opposing team has many more chances.
Is there any fair way of determining how good a goalie is? And who, in your opinion, is the best goalie?
I personally can't say who the best goalie because I haven't seen every goalie, however, from all the games I've seen, the best goaltender, in my opinion, would be Patrick Roy. And current goaltender is Marty Brodeur...
2007-11-27 12:19:51 · 7 answers · asked by Dougie Fresh 2 in Sports ➔ Hockey
So should we judge them on how they dress. Or maybe the design on their mask? What about the way they clear the ice in the crease before each period?
Get real. When we talk about baseball pitchers we talk ERA and wins. What is that? Stats. Numbers do tell a story. Especially career numbers. Things can go up and down from year to year but a guy who puts good numbers up year after year has to be doing something right. And Brodeur has done that.
Have you ever played hockey? And I'm not talking road hockey or shinny. A real game in an arena with referees and guys trying to knock you on your butt.
I sincerely doubt it.
Roy took nights off. He also was on some pretty good teams. Why don't we wait until Brodeur has had his run come to an end and then we'll compare. By then he'll have passed Roy and Sawchuk on every record he can.
2007-11-27 12:52:31 · answer #1 · answered by PuckDat 7 · 6⤊ 1⤋
What are you talking about? What sports analysts don't think Brodeur is a great goaltender? I cannot think of a single one. If you can come up with a couple, I assure you they are in a very small minority.
Here is the thing: most people DON'T just judge goalies by their stats, at least, not most hockey fans. Playoff performances, clutch play, leadership, rebound control, winning, save percentage, the defense in front of them, consistency, technique... most people who really understand hockey take into consideration ALL these factors when considering who is good and who is not.
To answer your question, at his very best, Dominik Hasek was the very best I ever saw, bar none. That said, Roy and Brodeur have been the most consistently awesome over the largest period of time in the past 20 years.
One more thing: You probably are right that over half the goals scored are the result of how good the skaters are. Let's say that 90% of them are due to good offense and/or bad defense. The key is that other 10%. That's a big chunk of change there, and that is what separated the bad from the good from the great. If you give up a bad goal once every 10 shots, you're not going to win games, and you're not going to be playing in the NHL very long. That 10% is the difference between a Brodeur and a Dan Cloutier.
2007-11-27 12:57:50 · answer #2 · answered by Mr. Taco 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Well, everyone pretty much covered everything like - Who the heck thinks Brodeur is not a great goalie- name one analyst.
Also, a poor team in front of a player, or a poor defence will mean that a goalie faces more shots. That is where the save % can be of some use.
Brodeur is the best currently and ever when all is said and done. GAA-save %-wins-play-off performances-SO's- All-Star Games- Hardware all play a part in determining the best.
It is like saying, was that 50 goal scorer great just because he scored 50 goals or were alot of those goals ones that should have been stopped? Stats don't lie.
2007-11-27 13:06:02 · answer #3 · answered by Bob Loblaw 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I have to disagree with you, on all your points, but escpecially about Roy. He was a good goalie, and at times a great goalie, but he could also be a liability to his team, and his erratic hot-and-cold play was sometimes a very bad thing. He had a lot of wins, but in all the other statistical category he falls short of the top 3. He is sub-.500 in playoff Game-7's.
Yes, there's a fair amount of subjectivity to this, but over the course of a full career the goalies will all play against approximately the same number of good shooters and will have approximately the same number of good players on their team, with minor variations. I think that their stats are a fair assessment of their overall value as a goalie.
Brodeur is #1
Hasek is #2
Osgood is #3
Roy is #4
I am looking only at the stats of goalies who have played over 500 games. The stats don't lie.
2007-11-27 14:30:52 · answer #4 · answered by Rich 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Can you name a sports analyst who doesn't think Martin Brodeur is a great goalie?
I can name several who don't think Patrick Roy is in the top 10 all time (some of which are former goaltenders themselves).
2007-11-27 12:30:13 · answer #5 · answered by Like I'm Telling You Who I A 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Um well....lets see....like puckdat said, how else do you want us to judge them??? If they let in a lot of goals, theyre not a good goaltender....duh. i mean there are certain situations where the goals arent their fault, but if none of the goals are the goalies fault, then we might as well get rid of them all, cuz theyre not doing anything productive..........
2007-11-27 15:52:00 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
wow tat was kinda weird i just asked a Q about goalies
2007-11-27 12:37:12 · answer #7 · answered by rac531 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋