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I really want to know if they are for real. Is there anyone who can prove to me they are there and that they work? Is there a good side of these elements of "magic"?

2007-11-26 19:45:25 · 5 answers · asked by john woo 1 in Society & Culture Mythology & Folklore

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Look at the lives of these famous occultists, and then decide if it's works:

Henry Cornielius Agrippa von Nettesheim: One of the most famous occultists of the middle ages. His work has gone on to inspire hundreds of "magical" books and writings. Despite all his occult knowledge, he died in poverty at age 41 in 1532.

Cagliostro, a famous French-Egyptian "magician", did the most embarrassing things, like putting a teacup on his erect penis and telling women "This is the only Bishop you will bow to!" He died in the Bastille in 1795.

John Dee discovered Enochian Magick and tried unsuccessfully to get the spirits to bring him money. He spent the final years of his life stripped of his honors and income and was forced to live incommunicado. He died in extreme poverty at 81.

Paracelsus: Thought himself a great physician, but he was really just an alchemist who had bizarre theories about human anatomy and prescribed dangerous remedies for his patients. This man was said to be arrogant and conceited, and was shunned by the other medical experts of his day.
He died broke at the age of 48.

Edward Kelly: An assistant of Dee, after failing to strike it rich with Enochian Magick, he was killed trying to escape prison. He had been imprisoned for his old hobby, counterfeiting.

Aleister Crowley had a nervous breakdown in spent 4 months in an insane asylum after trying to conjure a demon in a Paris hotel. In 1947 he died impoverished in a flophouse, forgotten by his family, a drug addict and alcoholic, despite starting out in life as a rich heir to Crowley Ale. He squandered it all on drugs and whores. "Success is your proof " - -Liber Al Vel Legis 3:46, Aleister Crowley

Gurdijef was a Russian con man who got involved in many money making scams. Once he dyed sparrows in peroxide and sold them as canaries! Even his biographers admit he had a "streak of charaltainism" about him. He created a system of bunk psychotherapy which is convoluted and even people who practice it can't clearly explain what is. In other words, it was the forerunner of Scientology.

Christian Rosenkrutz never actually existed. The whole Rosicrucian thing was started as a joke to make fun of occultists by a Lutheran minister named Valentin Andrea.

The Fox Sisters started the whole spiritist/seance’ movement in 1840. Years later they confessed the whole thing had been a hoax, but no one wanted to listen.

Samuel "Macgregor" Mathers: Eventually all the members of the Golden Dawn figured out Mathers lied about the secret chiefs, which led to him being kicked out, & the Golden Dawn being disbanded. He died in poverty from Pnumonia in 1918.

Jack Parsons blew himself up in his basement, making nitroglycerin, which he sold on the black market to supplement his income (apparently his money spells didn't work, either.)

Pamela Coleman Smith painted the illustrations for Arthur Edward Waite's tarot deck, one of the most popular decks being used today. She died penniless and alone in a London flat.

Paschal Beverly Randolph inspired people like Aleister Crowley, the members of the O.:T.:O.:., and Henri Gamache. His books are still in print. He committed suicide at age 44, leaving his wife and son to live in poverty.

They couldn't make the occult work, neither can anyone else.
Here's a quote from Wiccan Tradition Head Silver Ravenwolf:

"For years I couldn't afford to go to a hair stylist (still can't, it's shop and chop for me). I got pretty good at stying my own hair from looking at magazine pictures" [SOURCE: Teen Witch, Llewellyn Publications, 2003 edition, page 145]

She also wrote a book about Prosperity spells. Does she sound like she can make it work? She can't even afford a hairdresser! My wife just spent $100 at the beauty parlor and we're far from rich.

Here's another quote from that same book:

"A lot of people tell me how bad their lives have gotten after casting a spell and tell me they won't do Witchcraft anymore. I tell them their lives would have been much worse for not having cast the spell."

If you want to really have a good life, ditch the occult.

2007-11-28 01:46:24 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

Black Magic Wicca

2016-11-07 03:35:30 · answer #2 · answered by leong 4 · 0 0

There is always a good side to anything even what people see as being evil. There are many sides of being Pagan and many different forms. Each of them have there own way of seeing how things work. I myself am a Naturalist. So I can only speak of what I know from and what I beleive in. I am a 3rd generation so I have been taught from a very young age. I am going to try and explain this the easiest way that I can. I believe that there is no good or bad magic and it is all around us. We give back to the earth and thank her each day for the world we live in. We don’t believe in casting spells to punish but to help us find the path we should be on or to thank are higher power. Are goal in life is to leave this earth better then in which we came into it. We also believe that we should cause no harm to any living being or it will comeback to us three times the powering which it was given and casting “spells” to interfere with some ones free will is not something you should do. When we cast a “spell” it is a pray to are higher power to help us find are way in the world. It is not something we do for outsiders to prove that the magic is there. Anyone who is open to and wished to find it can do so by just opening there heart and soul to it. When you do this you will feel the natural powers all around you. What you are asking someone to do is something that is only seen in Hollywood in such movies as the Craft or on the show charm. We may not understand what is being asked of us but we just try and live, help and love each other the best way that we know how .

2007-11-26 20:21:24 · answer #3 · answered by lovesongangel 4 · 6 0

Magic, like fire, is neither good nor evil. Like fire, it is tool that we can use to accomplish certain things.

Yes, magic is real, but true magic often has very subtle results. I know it works because I've received its benefits, but others put it down to coincidence. So, I don't know how I could prove it to you.

I've always tried to use magic positively, because I firmly believe that when we do evil, evil comes back to us three-fold. But the good we do also comes back, and so I try to do as much good as I can. Not just with magic, but in all of my life. The cardinal rule is, when in doubt, don't. If I'm not sure what the consequences of a spell would be, if I'm not certain that my interference would be welcome, if I'm not positive that the benefits of an action bring more good than harm, than I don't do it.

I'm not talking just about magic there, but about life. Magic has been deeply integrated into my life, and the rules apply everywhere. But then, I'm Wiccan, and we have a different approach to life and magic than other faiths do. This is just my interpretation.

2007-11-27 00:56:40 · answer #4 · answered by Jewel 7 · 2 0

There is no black magic or white magic, there is only intention. Wicca is a religion so yes it very much exists.

2007-11-27 01:02:47 · answer #5 · answered by ~Heathen Princess~ 7 · 0 0

Magick is magick. It is neither black nor white. The purpose for which it is used determines the user, not the magick. It does work when used properly and for a purpose, again depending on the user. Few people actually understand its use and assume a lot of things. Karma is attached to all activities and has a return in magick that is based on the Law of Three. Helpful, I hope.

2007-11-26 20:07:29 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 5 0

Yes. It's for real
No magic is a color.
It's what you make of it.
It's like an axe...you can make things or break things...it's up to you. But be ready for the consequences.

2007-11-27 00:44:14 · answer #7 · answered by witchy boy1989 3 · 3 0

It works but have no idea how to prove it to you. Yes there is a good side to magic its is up to the person using it. Magic itself is not good or bad

2007-11-27 06:27:13 · answer #8 · answered by raven blackwing 6 · 0 1

I am living proof that white Magick really works
I cast a spell to become a star and look at me now .
I have fame and fortune . these are all things I have cast spells for

so Mote it Be

2007-11-26 21:08:06 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Wicca is a religion. The use of it in your question had me singing "one of these things is not like the other."

2007-11-27 00:28:56 · answer #10 · answered by LabGrrl 7 · 1 0

There's as much good to magick as there is to prayer. Asking someone to cast a spell and waiting for it to materialize so that you can have "proof" is like asking someone to pray and then waiting for the miracle.

2007-11-26 21:39:41 · answer #11 · answered by Brooke 3 · 2 1

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