Pro-choicers: How can you allow this to happen?

Question

How can you be okay with the thought of someone having an abortion?

Rio: You say they do it because they can't have this baby... They can have the baby, they choose to kill it instead.

Vanessa: Aborting a baby after rape is not going to give that woman her dignity or control back. How does brutally killing an unborn baby fix the rape?

Rio: Fetus is just a stage. As is Infant, toddler, teen. So if we just don't call it an human it's okay to murder it?

Super Ruper: It is an honest question. I have not seen anyone give a good answer yet. Regarding your statement about the government being involved in what a women can or cannot do to her body... Do you think prostitution should be legal?...Do you think we should be able to use cocaine and meth?... Because the government controls that. Regarding your comment about us pro-lifers always standing up for the baby. I believe the baby and the women have equal rights. Just as if two people were in a car and the car crashed. I don't think they should kill one person to save the other because they are both human and both equal.

Chryspen: What if the mentally disabled woman carries the baby to full term and it actually ends up helping her illness or at least inspires her for a while? We can play the if game all day long.

A woman who is married and having sex with her husband should know that there is always a possibility of her becoming pregnant. So I don't believe that she should be so irresponsible to drink without knowing first.

To all: To all of you stating that you are not excited about the thought of abortion but you are ok with someone having the choice to do with their body as they please. So you are okay with someone killing themselves? You are okay with someone shoting up drugs? You are okay with prostitution?

The Mrs. : Why do you assume I'm not educated on mental illness or pregnancy? Because I don't agree with you? My mother-in-law is mentally ill, was raped and that's where my husband came from. I didn't live his life but I know a lot about it. I also have a very close relationship with my mother-in-law. So I understand mental illness more than you may think.

How does someone killing themselves affect society in a negative way?

Chryspen: Lol...what's with you calling me girl? Weird. Anywho...

As I stated to The Mrs. (please read above) I do know some things about mental illness and that whole situation. I also know the positive affects it had on my mother-in-law. I don't believe any such person is going to fully recover from such illness but it is possible that the process of bringing a new life into the world could be beneficial in some way.

I'm not trying to judge anyone. I really am sorry if it's coming off that way. I am just stating that I don't agree with these situations. I would never say to a person that had an abortion that they are a bad person. As you said it's not my place to judge. Hate the sin not the sinner.

Also, hun, you know nothing of my life. I'm quite aware of the need to survive. However, this need to survive is not an excuse for such behavior.

Chryspen: I would LOVE to answer every question put back on here but I unfortunately do not have the time. If you want to debate this, if that is what you are looking for we can do that. You can email me and we can have an intellecual debate. Just know that it may take me hours or days to respond as I have other things in life to do...lol...unfortunately. :o)

Wow...lol... I mean intellectual...oops

Shadow Dweller: Well put! that's why I post these questions because it really does hurt me it makes me sad to see that these babies are dying for no good reason. I really want to try to understand the reasoning behind these actions . People say it doesn't affect me or them so why should be care. That's horrible. I care for everyone in this world in one sense or another. So I am in pain when someone bad happens or goes wrong. Especially when it's someone that could've been prevented. Thanks for understanding.

Answer 1

The definition of insanity is posting the same question over and over and expecting different results. Why don't you content yourself with your own beliefs and allow us ours. You will not change our minds because we believe in freedom of choice. Just as we don't tell you how you should run your life you should allow others to do the same.
Being a grown up and a human being is about personal autonomy and the right to make choices. Stop being so sanctimonious and judgemental.

Answer 2

So, say someone is raped, they have a mental deficiency that causes them to forget majorly important things all the time and has no money or maybe even a home for the child. This person who already suffers from mental disease should HAVE to carry to term and then give it away thus increasing her illness to somewhat insanity and hopelessness. Has happened before and I think that's why there is a choice. I don't agree with the little crazy biatches that get pregnant every week cuz they don't "like" birth control and then go get an abortion like it's a friggin' checkup.
One other question though: If a woman drinks when she doesn't know she's pregnant and aborts a fetus (maybe not even a week old)is she as guilty in your mind as the woman who aborts a partially developed child?

My edits:
ummm, the illness about forgetting important things... Like going to the doctor, like feeding the child... yeah, it's not something you "recover from" answer the whole question girl

WOW, don't make a mistake around THIS girl, you'll never be forgiven, good lord darling, your convictions blind you to the REAL world. Some people have to SURVIVE in this world, most of us weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths like you.. And that said, why do YOU get to judge what someone else does with their life? That actually makes you look as bad as the hooker in God's eye. Grow up and face reality, life isn't peaches and cream for everybody and if you've never had a mental illness, you might want to quell the ignorance you spew...

so, yeah my overall answer to your last part is: I don't judge what people do based on my life. In fact, I just don't judge, it's not up to me and it's also not right to judge. You're passing judgement on something you don't understand because you are ignorant to others. You are soooo sure that you are right, you only answer what you can, and anything you can't you leave out. That's putting a blind eye to evidence to the contrary. Nice try, but yeah, if you want to get into a discussion I got knowledge, and then some...

Answer 3

I don't like abortion but I do believe that there are times when it is the better choice, especially in the cases of rape, incest, and when there are serious medical problems involved. It is a hard choice for those involved and it is not up to me to decide what's best for other people since I don't know them and don't know anything about their circumstances. Yes, there is adoption but the vast majority of people wanting to adopt only want healthy babies. Our foster care system is overloaded with older children, those with special needs, minority children, those with behavioral problems or siblings wishing to be adopted together. Many abortion opponents never seem to notice these children and often are the first to whine about how their tax dollars are being used for social programs that could help these children get out of poverty and away from a life of crime. I've heard the argument that pro-choicers feel these children should have been aborted so they wouldn't have to live bad lives. However, not wanting to help and pretending that they don't exist is the same as killing them. Most of them are going to end up in prison or an early grave.

Answer 4

So you wish the Federal executive to create the Period Police bc as you good understand over eighty% of all fertilized human eggs might not be efficaciously implanted into the wall of the uterus and once they do this what comes out of the vagina appears like a heavy interval

Answer 5

Pro-choice people do not allow anything to happen...we have no control over anyone but ourselves. I am not okay with the thought of anyone having an abortion, but my not being okay with it does not give me the right to tell other people what they can and can not do. Only people who have been judged to be mentally incompetent or are a minor can be dictated to...and even then it doesn't necessarily make it the right thing.

I am pro-choice despite the fact that even just the thought of abortion is enough to make me physical ill because I do not believe that we, as human beings, have any right to impose our will on other people. I will admit that I'm not a very religious person, never have been. I do remember being in church and hearing that God gave us free will because we should have the ability to make our own choices. As humans, even non-religious ones, I don't believe we should think ourselves better than God and impose our beliefs on other people.

Answer 6

how can you be okay with the thought of someone being forced to do something with their body that they don't want to?

i'm "pro-choice" because i'm for people *having the choice* to do with their lives what they wish. i don't want to control people's reproduction in any way, and do not think that anyone should control another person's body & life choices.

the vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester.
the vast majority of miscarriages occur during the first trimester. people do not have funerals for first trimester miscarriages. why not? because, in the first trimester, it is only a potential person. it *isn't* a person yet. as someone who has had an abortion (due to an ectopic) and 2 miscarriages, as well as currently being pregnant, i'm well aware of the FACT that a fetus is ONLY a *POTENTIAL* human. even now, i may not have this child, something could go wrong.

edit: i had to comment on your married woman being "irresponsible" by drinking... just fyi, MANY women drink before they know they're pregnant--i did myself. i didn't think i could get pregnant at the time (no cycles)...

and actually, i do think people should be able to kill themselves, and prostitution should be legalized so it can be more heavily regulated. and if people want to do drugs, so long as they aren't committing any other crimes, so be it. not my concern.

Answer 7

You need to understand that most people who are pro-choice are not "pro-abortion." No one is sitting here saying "woo hoo, abortion rocks, everyone should have one!" That is ridiculous.

What we are saying is that the GOVERNMENT, or other ruling entities, should have no right to tell its citizens, subordinates, etc... what they can or cannot do with their bodies and their unborn. That decision is only for the woman carrying to fetus to make, and no one else's. The fact is, whether you like it or not, some women wish to have an abortion for whatever reason. Every since the dawn of humanity, women have had abortions. Women will always have abortions. If abortion is made illegal, women seek out alternative ways to get one. Many times they end up with back alley abortionists. Not only is the fetus ended, but the woman can loose her life, too.
The New York Times published an article about 5 or 6 weeks ago from UN reports. The reports found that whether or not abortion is illegal in a country has absolutely no affect on how many women seek abortions.

I strongly believe women who do choose to have an abortion should be able to receive one that is legal and safer compared to seeking out those back alley butcheries in a place where it is illegal.

Edit: Even though your edits were not directed toward me, I will answer some of them.
You said you have not seen anyone give you a good answer yet. OF COURSE YOU HAVEN'T! You are looking for what you want to to hear. You are not open to hearing what us pro-choicers believe. Every question you ask here on GWS has an agenda; you're never seeking real answers. You're here to debate, rant, and rave, and have others who agree with you to validate your position.

Anyway.

I do believe drugs, prostitution, and euthansia should be legal, but that is (kind of) and other issue. But just to boggle your mind for now: I think prostitution and drug use is disgusting, and I have not or will not ever participate in such activities. If you would like to learn why I feel this way, I would be more than happy to explain it to you, but this is not the appropriate forum.

You see, you cannot base legislation solely on emotions and morality. Do I think it's morally right to have an abortion? That's irrelevant. It's irrelevant what you think, too. I do not support fascism in way, shape, or form. If you want to set up a program next to the Planned Parenthood to try to convince women to look into other options than abortion, that is perfectly fine. You could even argue "abortion is wrong wrong wrong" until you're blue in the face, but let me ask you, what is your real goal in doing so? To reduce the number of abortions, or to be right? If the former is your goal, you're certainly going about it the wrong way.

Answer 8

If you don't believe in it, fine. You've probably also never been through what some women who've opted for abortion have been through. If you don't believe a woman should have the right to choose, fine for you...you've made YOUR choice-the choice that's right for you. Pro-choice people want to make sure that the ability to choose is preserved. Perhaps you could at least try to understand that your life experiences are not the same as someone else's, and stop pushing your moral beliefs down other people's throats. To have an abortion is not a decision most would make lightly.

Answer 9

That individual has all the information on their specific circumstances. They hold all the cards and it is up to them to decide what is best. Its not black and white the way you are trying to portray - you dont know that pesrons entire circumstances and they should be making a decision for the greater good. Circumstances such as family, medical history, mental issues etc all come in to play.

Abortion should be available as an option, but as a last resort. Not as a form of birth control. Despite what you might think, sometimes abortion is necessary.

Thats MY opinion and you can disagree with me all you want.

It wont change.

Answer 10

First I will say I am personally a pro-lifer, but see the benefits of abortion to society for several reasons:
1) It is not fair to a child to have parents who do not want them or cannot care for them properly
2) It is not fair to the public to pay for others responsibilities
3) Adoption is an answer but only if the child is white and adopted as an infant. Otherwise they are more likely to bounce around from foster home to foster home, which it in it's self creates many social problems as well.

Second it was not us that allowed it to happen. It was the entire population. Everyone gets to vote for our law makers.

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You should really educate yourself on mental illness and as well s pregnancy, especially since you are pregnant.

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All of those things you mention effect society in a negative way, so no I am not okay with it. However ending an unwanted pregnancy in an abortion effects society in a positive way, so I believe it is okay.

Got anything else?

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No, I am open minded and support others even if they disagree with me. My belief in the fact you are not educated in mental illness comes from the fact that you believe a child will help the situation and that it is a healthy situation for a child to be it. My lack of belief in you knowledge of pregnancy comes from your ignorance to the hormonal changes that happen and the effects of these. Pregnancy is hard enough, as is mental illness, I do not think the combination is a decent way to have a child.

I support you in your efforts and relationship with your mother-in-law, however all mental illnesses are not a like. In fact each situation is extremely different and cannot be judged by a single case. I am sure your husband himself has some issues as a result of being born as a result of rape and I am sure this was difficult for him growing up as well.

Your lack of knowledge SHOWS, I do not have to simply believe or be upset because I don’t agree with you. As I am sure many here can attest, I rarely assume one's ignorance in a subject and would never do it simply because I disagreed with them.

How does suicide effect people in a negative way? You have obviously never experienced it from near or far. A suicide questions our very moral being. The fear that life could get so bad one found no way out. I went through three suicides of friends and classmates as a high school student as well as one of a friend’s father and I can tell you that when one takes their own life the entire city (of 50,000) is effected in a negative manner and the morale if the institutions (schools and work places) are greatly negatively effected.

You're going to have to do better than take cheap, yet ignorant shots like "You are just saying that because you don't agree with me".

Answer 11

I am perfectly okay with it, as I believe that an adult female has the right to decide what happens to her body...don't you?

It all seems so cut and dried to pro-lifers...its all about the baby. But honestly, you need to consider that there are two lives involved in an abortion - not just one. I choose to support that woman because if you allow for the government to control her body and her choices...what's next?

I can completely understand and sympathize with caring for an unborn child - but I also have a very clear understanding for myself of when that fetus becomes a child. If it cannot sustain itself, natually or artificially, outside the womb, then I will have to support the individual in the equation who can.

Now, here's my question for you....are you really looking for a pro-choice explanation? Are you really going to listen to their views and consider their points? Because honestly, so many of these questions about abortion really aren't about learning, they are about intollerance...

EDIT: In fact, I DO believe that prostitution should be legalized, and the same with now illegal drugs. The war on drugs (which is all about drug cartels) would be over instantly if the government sold marijuana, cocaine and the like - the way they sell alcohol and cigarettes. The taxes collected could be put into a healthcare program...wouldn't that be progressive?

I believe that adults need to take responsibility for their lives, their bodies and their actions. Government intervention, in my view, is a dangerous thing...

And as for my criticism of pro-lifer's questions...I simply don't understand why they post these questions - they are quite blind to the views of anyone who supports the idea of abortion - so it is a 'no-win' argument.