Guess what percentage of Kurds want complete independence from Arabian Iraq?

Question

99% according to:
home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan5/7-2-05-independence-landslide.htm

If we believe in "the will of the people", that leaves Iraq with just Sunnis and Shi'ites. Since there are four Shi'ites for every Sunni, the Sunnis would lose every election and would never see their taxes come home. They would also want complete independence, even though they have nothing but sand without oil..

The Shi'ites hate the Sunnis and will never give them a drop of oil. So they wouldn't mind being independent either.

So why not partition Iraq into three totally independent states, declare victory, and go home?

I am being drowned by your collective ignorance of history, culture, and politics. To wit:

fsfa- Actaully, while Christians were murdering each other, the Ottoman empire was quite stable and internally peaceful for a rather long period.

Jim Sock and others- Borrow a dictionary and look up the word plebiscite. It would go as follows: (1) A peaceful plebiscite in Kurdistan seperates the Kurds from the Arabs. (2) A peaceful plebiscite in a strictly Sunni or Shi'ite area would unquestionably result in a vote for total separation. The only problem arises in regions with mixed populations. After four years of ethnic cleansing, this has been reduced to a small portion of the population around Baghdad, where Sunni remnants are living in unsustainable walled ghettoes protected by our troops. Sunnis will jump at an offer of a bonus and safe conduct to a Sunni region. Then you can hold the plebiscites. (3) We have to mediate boundry lines to avoid disputes.

(4) Until the dust settles, we may have to keep a small force in Kurdistan, maybe one brigade on each neigbor's border. Kuwait may need another brigade. That will end all the fighting. (5) The Sunnis will not have any oil. Too bad. I don't have an oil well either. When Bush deposed Sadaam Hussein, he liberated the Shi'ites and armed them. They outnumber the Sunnis four to one. This war is over. That's why it's getting peaceful around Baghdad. The Sunnis are not going to attack the Shi'ites and the Shi'ites have no reason to attack the oil-less Sunnis. (6) Whatever the Shi'ites in Iran and Shiastan want to do, they will do. Our problem with Iran will be solved with diplomacy or with cruise missiles, not with armies.
(7) Iraq does not exist except in the minds of the Western leaders who created it and are trying to keep it together for their own purposes. Its inhabitants are loyal only to their family, clan, village, and religious sect, not to Churchill's invention.

Answer 1

Can you divide up a country without using force?

Joe Biden says something similar. Pull out US troops and divide the country. How does one go about dividing up a country without troops? Ask them nicely? Pay them? Hypnotize them?
What would Iran do with a divided Iraq next door? How would any one of those new states protect themselves?

Well, Mr. Biden has changed his tune a little. Now he uses words like 'Re-Deployment'. Whatever THAT means.

We would inevitably have to go back at three times the cost and do it in full combat mode as opposed to patrolling streets and building power plants and schools like we are now.

Answer 2

Division is the only answer, but a division that creates a federal center for certain defined tasks. More like an 'open marriage' than a real country or an 'un-holy trinity'. In the end, none of this is going to work. What will work is getting totally out of the middle east and never again importing another drop of middle east oil. It's long past time to raise the CAFE standards to the roof if needed to keep the wheels on the road and in the interim we go to a system of rationing gas if that's what it takes. I can hear the screams now. "What? I can't only get 30 gals. of gas a month? How am I going to keep my Beltchfire 8 going? What are 'ya, a commie?" Well, if that's what it takes to change the equation then that's what it's going to take. Doncha' know there's a war on? With real political leadership we can deal with this problem, but never fear.....it won't happen!

Answer 3

This is one of the "more popular" ideas currently in the mix. It also is a large reason the sectarian violence has dropped as areas are becoming more defined and consolidated becoming Shiah and Sunni "zones". The price of freedom is high. We paid it and continue to do so. Relocation and consolidation of sects is unpopular amongst Sunnis but there is a price. A free Iraq divided may be similar to pre-Civil War America. Then we continued to pay the high cost of freedom, but in the end I'm happy my 5 little girls are free to be. My patriarchs paid for it with their lives and I won't let them forget that.
Secondly, a democracy in the middle east supported by open and free trade is the only path to stability and prosperity for a better life for non-extremist. Making war unprofitable for all, bringing the middle east into the 21st century and elevating them from being third world nations.
Extremist Iran is losing support and capacity to facilitate unrest in Iraq. Both sects have turned on Al-Quada on there own realizing this is the fastest way to peace and prosperity. This has been a grass roots shift. Just as the American Revolution was a grass roots shift. The local tribal leaders turned on the extremist and a domino effect is taking place across the country. Freedom is in the heart of all peoples including dictators. Except a dictator has more freedom than anyone. The fulcrum point is a political one using religion as a crux to propagandize it's more vulnerable people into extremism. the rug is rapidly being pulled out from under these leaders with political goals rather than religious ones.

Answer 4

The problem is that Kurds living in Turkey, Syria, Iran, Armenia, and Azerbaijan would want to join with an independent Kurdish state, something their current host nations oppose. So U.S. support for a three-way partition of Iraq would alienate many of the other regional powers, especially our NATO partner Turkey.

Then there's the issue of resources - as you said, not much of the oil lies in the Sunni-dominated areas. Getting the three groups within Iraq to agree on a fair distribution of oil, water, and other key resources would be as difficult as getting them to agree on a shared system of government, which they've been unable to do for some time now.

Finally, there's the concern that Iran would absorb the Shi'a into their country - although everyone points out that the Iranians are Persian, not Arab, Iran has the military power to conquer them AND the other two minority groups later, if Iraq were divided.

I recommend we declare victory now and go home. If the Iraqis want independence, they'll have to fight and die for it, just like we did so long ago...

Answer 5

well that is just one part of the problem the next questions should be what pct. of assayrians would want to be free of arab iraqi rule? I say let the kurds and the assayrian people have their own independent states. forget shihite, sunni crap the real issues are arab vs. blacks, assaryians,jews, berbers,kurds,coptics, and the rest of minorities under arab rule.

Answer 6

this doesn't surprise me, it is a totally different mentality in kurdistan - the kurds are ready for a real democracy and capitalism - there are no insurgents in kurdistan - westerners could vacation there.

Answer 7

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Answer 8

People in the Middle East have been fighting for thousands of years. It's all they know and they will NEVER stop.

Answer 9

If America can be divided then will .