Who are you voting for..Workchoices or Job Security? (Aus)?

Question

Howard and Liberal fat cats are always going on about how there are rough times ahead and the world is facing economic uncertainty. Yet these same people bring and Industrial Relations Law (Workchoices) that make us all feel uncertain in our own jobs. Effectively making us all casual, no unfair dismissal laws, no penalty rates, no overtime and contracts that mean, in effect, you have to reapply for your job everytime your contract is up!! Wonder if the BANKS will be so forgiving if you get shafted and your need to pay your Home loan!!!

So as we face higher cost of living, we are getting less protection!

The 'fainess test' is like the criminal picking his own jury. Also who determines what 'FAIR' means, again Mr Howard does!!! Is that because he is on $350 000 a year and has job prospects after his political career!!

Workchoices = Liberal
Job Security = Labor

Has your vote changed because of WORKCHOICES!

Mine has....go Rudd!

not_to.....I have just spoken to my boss and he is happy to employ you full-time for $200 a week!! Let me know if you want it!

To the rest..I hope he doesn't want a car, house, food or clothing! I aslo hope he doesn't have children to care for!

Answer 1

When we look back in 10 years time will we still have the same respect for our bosses we had 11 years ago Howard and workchoices have destroyed that relationship and its going to take a long time to repair all except for the ones that saw the writing on the wall that Howard and the Liberals won't always be there in a country town we all know who can't be trusted and to those people I say good luck getting workers

Answer 2

For anyone who is seriously concerned about Workchoices ...just get out of your shell and look at the world around you. Even *with* Workchoices, Australia's employment law is still stricter than the UK, The US, France, Canada, etc... ...not to mention SE Asia

We have been cushioned here for many years. ...and we are too stupid to see what's on our doorstep. I have lived in SE Asia, where $200 a month is a good wage.. and people don't expect plasma TVs, two cars in the driveway, and weekends (and sickies) off.

Look at what is happening here already... firms are closing due to competition from China and India, where it is easier to hire staff..and to get rid of them.

No employer ever ever wants to lose a good employee... but it must be made OK to ease out those who are either lazy, unproductive or just plain trouble.... or else the employers will go where they can.

Ask the UK ex-pats why they left the UK in the 60s, 70s and 80s for Australia... restrictive practices caused the closure of shipyards, steel mills, manufacturing plants. Companies could not let someone go without a massive payout...so instead of losing a few and staying in business, firms went bust, and everyone lost their jobs..

Workchoices might not great but Aussie standards, but most of the world, including most of the western world, would think that it was luxury.... so be careful if you think scrapping Workchoices will save jobs... .. If I was small business owner I would be scared to take someone on, just in case I have a downturn in business and can't ask them to leave.

...and funny how Workchoices is only an issue when unemployment is so low... Let's see what's on people's minds if unemployment gets back to 10%.

Answer 3

All of you narrow minded people could learn a lot from "not_too_savourys" posting.
Dont kid youself into thinking that workchoices means that you will loose your job. If you are a good employee you will not have anything to worry about, it is getting harder to find good employees now so if you are doing the right thing, your boss will not want to get rid of you.
You will find that if Labor/Unions get into power there will be a lot more job losses because companies simply can not afford to employ people in austraila.

That was a pretty stupid question/statement to ask "Who are you voting for..Workchoices or Job Security"
Particularly when you dont really know what you are talking about. Unfortunatelly people like this are allowed to vote.
and when you cant pay off your house due to interest rates and no job security under RUDD............Told you so

Answer 4

No, Workchoices has not changed my vote, although it ranks highly among my reasons for voting against the Coalition.

If they are returned on Saturday, I'd like Johnny to sit down with us - the electors - to negotiate his AWA. No more $350 000 pa, to understand the people he ought to be paid as we are. After all, politicians like to tell us that they entered into public office because of a strong desire to serve the community.

On a more serious note, having lived 11 years under a Howard government, I can safely say that I will NEVER vote for a Coalition government - federal, state or local. I am astounded by their propensity for shame-faced lies and deceptions, the pork-barreling, kick-backs like AWB, their free-and-easy approach to spending our tax dollars on partisan advertising campaigns and so on. The list is just too long.

Fingers crossed for a Labor victory on Saturday.

Answer 5

There is no such thing anymore as job security this country has never been so well off it is the fools who want to change something put in place by a Government that has the best Employment record and money managing. It as an untried Rudd against a tried team ~~

Answer 6

Job security of course...this is my first time voting in a federal election and my Dad has explained to me why labor is good for people like me...and my Dad is voting for labor for the good of future generations like me rather for himself (he's a manager) so I really appreciate that from him.

In his own words he said "Liberal will sell your future short" and it seems to be true with the IR laws in place. But what you said about how workchoices can affect home loans further reinforced my decision to vote Labor. I do want to move out someday.

Answer 7

My employers are one of many larger organisations which have applied Work Choices to the minimum limit, because they doubt it will be implented in full without a lot of difficulty, which means they will be left with a lot to clean up and change if the system has to undergo another major reshuffle. Thankfully, that means my job hasn't really been affected.

Wish I could say the same for friends and family members who have suffered various difficulties, especially the younger ones who live in fear because they can be easily terminated and be left with no security.

But frankly, even without WC (good acronym, lol) I'd be voting Howard out.

He's a dangerous radical who has made sweeping infrastructure changes to institutions in this country, the effects of which won't be felt for many years yet.

I really feel for students and the young people trying to get their share of the 'great Australian dream' in Howard's Australia.

Cheers :-)

Answer 8

Workchoices and IR laws give real job security because the economy is booming and the employers need skilled workforce. Rudds lunacy will cost jobs and will destroy the booming economy what the coalition created. Do you want high unemployment, high inflation, high interest rates? Do you want low job security, low economic activities, low living standard? Vote for the Rudd, Gillard, Swan gang. They will not disappoint you! Our family votes for the Howard Costello team because we are not masochists!

Answer 9

Job security I already lost one job through IR laws because my boss wanted to employ someone under 18 who she could pay less and I am still fighting for my super that she didn't pay one cent of.
Now I have a good job but I waited until I got one with over 100 employees so it doesn't happen again its funny how people say the IR's don't change things when it doesn't affect them.

Answer 10

Jarrod is entitled to his opinion it is clear to see he has bought from the brochure before checking the package; he seems to fit the demographic for the Johnny Howard educational programme of dumbing down the populace. The whole thing is just really liberal “me-too” as all this was fine before with managing industrial relations through the Accord and enterprise bargaining. These reforms were set up in the Hawke/Keating years – floating the currency, overhauling tariffs, liberalising the financial system and the above, massive economic changes that transformed our economy. You compare that to the recent IR changes, which for all the hoo-ha are really quite minor in comparison.
I note that you are trying to convey that you really care for the working classes out there, but it lacks sincerity.
It is a well-known fact that any capitalist regime such as the Coalition’s is obliged to put downward pressure on the basic wages of the productive workforce in order to ensure greater profits for the rich elite. (Sol Trujillo’s recent stunt in direct opposition to the wishes of Telstra shareholders is a good recent example). As far as I can see the only purpose of the IR laws involving AWAs is to force the working public to produce more for less labour cost. I assume this is why rather than taking active steps to help basic wages to rise in line with the cost of living, your government makes hollow gestures with tax cuts which only serve to let industry off the hook by robbing the public purse and leaving less money for the provision of essential public services such as healthcare, schools and so forth.
In effect the capitalist mantra is "all for us and none for you" whereas the socialist approach advocates "fairness for all”.
Economic Management issue is the main point of the whole governments catch cry, what a lot of B.S. The same people the same advisers that are in the treasury will more than likely be the same who ever is in power, so it is a bit misleading and egotistical to suggest that the man up front is the guy with all the knowledge. As long as you listen to advice and it is good advice not too many things can go wrong!!!! But out of all the combatants that are in the running this time round there is only one who went off on his own “egonomics” tangent that is the one and only John Howard. When John Howard was treasurer against all advices around him set Australia into the deepest recession we have ever known with 22% interest rates, which was the start of this whole economic cycle.
So we end up with the dynamic duo running the country “Yesterday man & Yes man” one a proven failure as treasurer and the other controlled by the proven failure!!!!

As for your statement;
“Particularly when you don’t really know what you are talking about. Unfortunatelly people like this are allowed to vote. and when you cant pay off your house due to interest rates and no job security under RUDD............Told you so”
(Unfortunately is one “L” too)
Have no doubts about this man called John, the book in bible is not about him!!! He will say anything do anything and believe in the gospel of John Winston Howard. And that delusion has been formed from the dreams of the con artist he became when he was a young man who never really made it in the social set of the young and bright of canterbury high. He failed General Maths at the Leaving Certificate in 1957, and it shows. It shows more and more each day, with every petulant, stumbling half-truth he utters. It wasn't my fault, he says. It wasn't my fault. I passed General Maths really, but they got the marking wrong. “Bob Ellis” New retrospective eternal verities
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2085378.htm

The comments on the interest rates is the one you have not even looked at and brought straight from the brochure (where were you guys when we were selling timeshares!) Those advertisements are the funnies of the whole campaign and really show why John Howard failed as a treasurer and failed general maths.
“Under the Whitlam Cairns government interest rates were 10%… Under the Hawke Keating Government interest rates were 17% and under the Keating government interest rates were 12%…” See the funny bit there? Here I will show you.
Between the Whitlam Cairns government and the Hawke Keating government we forgot to put in the Fraser HOWARD government where the interest rates were 22% sort of fills in the graphs highs and lows more accurately. When you draw the graph it is funny.