What evidence do Hillary supporters have that she's NOT a socialist?

Question

Here's your chance, Hillary supporters, to convince a dyed-in-the-wool conservative that your candidate is not a socialist.

I'm not ACCUSING Hillary of being a socialist. It's her right to be a socialist if she is. I won't vote for her because I won't vote for her socialist ideas, but I really don't care if she is or isn't. I've just seen far too many people on here trying to convince me she's not a socialist, so I want to hear their reasoning behind their assertions that she isn't.

I'm not asking for things Bush has done that could be considered socialist. I'm asking for solid thought from Hillary supporters who have claimed she's not a socialist as to why they think she's not. So far, I haven't gotten a damn thing. Interesting...

Silver - Look at the two answers you're sandwiched between. I was about to start in on my evidence, but those two beat me to it.

Again, I'm not asking for assertions that she's not a socialist. I'm not here to provide proof as an accuser. I'm here to hear your reasons for thinking Hillary is not a socialist, and you guys are accusing me of accusing rather than answering the question. Verrry interesting...

Sageandscholar gives an example of the rational answers I'm looking for, at last! Thanks, guy.

Answer 1

Hillary is a very moderate social democrat. She does not support excessive govenment control of the economy, merely regulating of market failures. She does not support nationalization of any private capital - rather believing that private sector capitalism is the best approach to wealth creation.
She enjoys a healthy relationship with big business and has first hand experience in helping to run a major corporation. How anyone could honestly believe she is a socialist is mind boggling.

Answer 2

What evidence do you have that she is a Socialist?

Her Health Care for everyone Program?

Who passed and signed the Medicare Drug Bill? The Republican Controlled Congress passed this broken Entitlement program and Bush Signed it. This is the largest Entitlement program since LBJ's broken Welfare Program.
Guess this makes The Republicans and George W. Bush Socialist.

This Entitlement along with the wars in the Middle East will bankrupt our Great Nation turning us from one of the Great Super Powers to a Fourth World Country.

I do not support any of the Candidates running at this time.
My opinion is simple not one of them is fit to be hired as a School Crossing Guard for Kindergarten children.

Answer 3

Well, what proof can you supply us that she IS a socialist?

The burden of proof generally is on the accuser, not the accused.

Frankly, I am really sick and tired of seeing this broken record meme of "Hillary is a socialist". Do you even know what a socialist is, besides an all purpose ad hominem attack on something or someone you don't like?

Look, you can debate Hillary on her specific policy stances, but it's really pointless to throw a bunch of rants at her.

Answer 4

I'd like to see such dyed-in-the-eye conservatives prove that she IS a socialist.

Sorry, but the burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the defense.

Talk about a blatant violation of the rules of logic.

Edit: How the heck can you claim you're not making an accusation when your initial question already makes the presumption that she already is a socialist. You cannot prove a negative. It that simple.

example:

"What evidence can a certain asker on Y!A provide to show that he is NOT a child molester?"

See the problem when you beg the question? Go learn a few lessons in modern logic before making yourself look really stupid.

Answer 5

LOL

The fact that Conservatives believe this ridiculous absurdity shows how uninformed they are from listening to such Millionaire clowns like Rush, Savage, Hannity and O'Reilly.

Hillary Clinton is the number one recipient of Corporate funding including Banking, Health Insurance Companies (insuring that she will NOT propose "Single-Payer Healthcare-like they have in every other Western Democracy) and the Military Contractors.

"The U.S. arms industry is backing Hillary Clinton for President and has all but abandoned its traditional allies in the Republican party. Mrs Clinton has also emerged as Wall Street's favorite. Investment bankers have opened their wallets in unprecedented numbers for the New York senator over the past three months and, in the process, dumped their earlier favorite, Barack Obama."

Answer 6

Senator Clinton is a woman of God that is wanting the best for all Americans. That is not a socialist.

Answer 7

Hmm, prove a negative. Don't you belong in R+S,
bashing the non-Christians?

Tell you what; in light of the massive federal deficit, prove to me that Bush is a Republican.

Answer 8

well she's trying to push a socialistic health care plan. Do you want this woman in charge of your health??? I would think not. do you want a one world govt.?? I think not. do you want the north american union, which would explode into a one world govt., I think not, all the same money one big world with everything the same, she is a dangerous woman, look at bill

Answer 9

Yes, proposing a universal health care plan automatically makes someone socialist..
I guess Canada is socialist too then.
Btw, what's wrong with socialism?

Answer 10

You all want to point at Hillary's attempt to bring in Universal Health Insurance, and scream the sky is falling - socialist.

Reality Check - Our Health Care System IS a socialist system, hiding in "free market" clothing.

You do not pick your doctor, the insurance company does. They give you a list of doctors they have strong armed into accepting pennies on the dollar of what they would charge in a true free market, and you have to pick one from the list, or pay huge penalties for "out of network" care.

You do not get to go to the hospital with the best care or prices. You have to go to the one that the insurance company has strong armed into taking smaller payments than a free market system would have required. And they keep the price they pay secret, so you do not know if one hospital is being paid more than another, or one doctor more than another.

You do not even get to choose which insurance company is doing the strong arming, and making the list of "participating providers" that you will have to choose from. You employer does that, based on getting the best pamphlet full of promises to hand out, for the least cost to him.

But you all think that you are in a free market system.

So Hillary comes along and suggests we take the 35 to 40% of our health care dollars, and instead of giving them to the "private insurance companies" to support their duplicate bureaucracies and staggering profits, that we use it to provide the exact same coverage that you have to more people.

Your insurance company will explain to your employer in great detail how they, by combining the buying power of a large group of members, and negotiating prices, can save huge amounts of money for the employer. But when the government, which runs the most efficient insurance plan in the country if you base it on total cost vs benefits paid, suggests that we pool everybody into one group and negotiate prices, that suddenly doesn't work any more. Why.

It is simple people.

Negotiate a price structure that will give hospitals and doctors a reasonable payment for service provided - exactly like the insurance companies claim to do.

Require all doctors and hospitals to accept the insurance system, but do not limit the amounts doctors can charge a patient, if they feel they deserve more. You then have the option of going to any doctor you want by simply paying the added cost above what the government plan pays, or you can choose to change doctors to one who will accept the government payment as payment in full, just as your In-Network doctor does, your choice. If he charges to much and looses all his patients, well that is the free market system isn't it, let him go out of business.

Set up a price structure for medicines that will give a reasonable mark up to the drug companies, and allow them to recoup the cost of bringing new drugs to market. But do two things.
1) Make it a Federal Crime to charge less to sell the drug to overseas distributors, than they sell it to the US distributors. It is about time that everyone who has the benefit of a drug, pays for the cost of creating the drug. And not just Americans. Many US made drugs sell for half or a quarter the price overseas. Why?

2) Make them prove a new drug works as well or better than the old one, before they can sell it. To many drugs are causing to many side effects, and do not even work as well as the one they replaced. But they do have something the old drug doesn't have - a working patent, and a high cost to consumers. Try to justify the pill they are pushing right now that is just two old medicines, one for blood pressure,and one for cholesterol, that they put into a singe pill so they can now charge you as a name brand drug, instead of as two generic drugs. $20 copay on my insurance, vs $4 and $9 for the generics. What a pill.


You get to choose any doctor you can afford, paying the difference between the agreed price and the doctors price. But he has to tell all patients up front that he charges a fee above the government payment.

One system to process all claims, with no overhead to absorb by the doctors and the hospital for uninsured patients, since everyone has insurance. And people coming in to get an anti-biotic at the doctors or clinic, rather than being picked up off the street and put into ICU, when they collapse, because they did not have insurance to see a doctor when a pill would have solved the problem.

Doctors and Hospitals knowing they will be paid at least the agreed upon rate for every patient. No worry about dead beats, or no pays, just file the claim and get paid.

Employers not having to pay thousands of dollars in premiums to support insurance company profits, instead paying a much less in the form of FICA taxes, and knowing that every employee has insurance to keep them healthy and productive.

For you corporate types, bottom line, pay the private insurance company an average of $6500 per employee, $10000 per family, for private insurance with restrictions on where they can go to use it, or pay $5000 per employee for a government backed plan that is an extension of Medicare which already exists, and the employee can use it anywhere.

What a horrible system to have.