How bad has the US gotten in the past 7 years?

Question

Please be honest. What is it that has directly effected your everyday life?

It's not gay marriage because you couldn't do that with Clinton in office either.

It's not privacy unless you're a criminal.

Economy is debatable.

If you have a loved on in the war, that's their choice. And in case you forgot, there was a war going on in the Clinton years too.... I know. My cousin Danny died in it.


I ask this question because some ignorant douche typed this:
"We should respond by impeaching and imprisoning Bush and Cheney, but we wont. We'll roll over like they did in Nazi Germany."

How you can minimize Germany's experience to you not being able to get abortion on demand or get married to the same sex to the issues of 1930s-40s in Germany is beyond me. The last time I checked, we are not killing our own people in concentration camps for being the wrong race, religion, or sexual preference.

No matter what you want to say about Republicans, it's sick to minimize the holocaust like that.

Answer 1

You are sooo right! It truly bothers me when people compare what's going on in the US to the Nazis. It really does minimize what went on in the 30s and 40s over there and I think it's an insult to those who went through it.

The worst thing that I've seen over the past 7 years is the genuine hate the libs have for anything that disagrees with them. I mean, if they didn't vote for Bush and don't like him, that's OK by mean, but he won both elections, yes, won, and either you accept that and support the President, whoever it is, or you find some place that doesn't allow you to vote for who you want.

Answer 2

Comparisons are often odious. Comparisons to the Third Reich are often odiously hyperbolic.

That said, it is true that in the United States since this president's accession, there have been some horrific abrogations of the core principles of electoral democracy--such as the idea of the secular state, the idea of judicial and legislative independence, the idea of Constitutional limits to executive power, the concept of protection of the rights of the accused, the inviolable precept of habeas corpus protections, the "civilized state" theory prohibiting wars of aggression and use of torture. While the Third Reich is an extreme example, it is not extreme at all to say that as has happened in many previous de-democratizing processes in world history (the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Empire, if you prefer that to the end of the Weimar Republic), we are seeing hallowed principles and practices of democracy disintegrate, not to the sounds of protest, but to the sounds of patriotically loyal clapping.

Your question is as reductionistic, in Constitutional terms, as the hyperbolic "Nazi Germany" allusions you critique. There have been many more significant losses to our civil liberties and to the principles of Constitutional government than just the ones you acknowledge in your question. The legitimation of torture alone is a huge deal. The introduction of "faith-based programs" whereby tax dollars are used to promote the viewpoints of certain religions--and, as the data shows, not other qualifying religions--is a huge deal. The adoption of the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive war" is a huge deal. These are not small things; they are very weighty and dangerous trends away from a democratic, secular electoral republic and toward a dictatorial governmental form.

You are correct that it is insensitive and alarmist to conflate every deconstitutionalization with the advent of Hitler. But you must also acknowledge that any deconstitutionalization is a significant matter, and a series of them together is a pattern threatening to the stability of the American system of governance. Failure to be honest about that is either complicity, or naivete.

Answer 3

Personally, not so bad. But apparently we're a little more scoffed at in foreign situations, but that's moot.

People calling for impeachment of Bush and his execution are, for lack of a better term, morons. Mind you, I don't agree with the guy most of the time, but he hasn't done anything impeachable. Remember, Congress holds the ability to go to war, and the President can only ask.

The whole Nazi comparison is far off too... I really don't get how their equating current America to 1930s Germany. We're not in a recession, looking for a way out. We're not subjugating an entire people, sending them to camps and doing unspeakbles to them. We haven't invaded Poland OR France yet (and no, establishing governments in Afghanistan and Iraq are not equivalent to taking them over and saying 'mine'). I just don't get it.

Answer 4

I agree with you- but that's the only way hard-core liberals can get their voice heard. They want to express how much they are hurt that someone who does not think like them are in office. Anyone else remember all the Hollywood liberals who SWORE they would leave the US if Bush was re-elected?

I don't think the US is worse off- we have had 5 years of prosperity after the initial shock of 9/11. Americans have decided to live their lives and enjoy it while they can- houses have tripled in value, the stock market has exploded, personal income it up....yet liberals still scream.

I don't understand. Since Clinton was in office, we have had wars, economic hardship followed by years of prosperity. Exactly the same as the years with Bush in office.

Maybe I am missing something. It's like my liberal professor friend who swears he pays more in taxes now that Bush is in office. It's true- when Clinton was in office he earned $25,000 per year. Now that he is a full time professor, he ears over $60,000 a year. OF COURSE YOU PAY MORE IN TAXES!

I just don't get it. It's not politics, it's the natural course of life.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Then why is it you cons can never explain why Bush ignored national security and terrorism until AFTER we were attacked?
Bush was warned about a possible terrorist attack a month before 911!What did he do about ensuring the countrys national security?
If he did his best to defend America why did FBI HQ deny FISA warrants requested by its Minneapolis office?Obstructing their terrorism investigations?After all they are the ones who arrested Moussaoui the 20th hijacker!
The Bush administration sure weren't shy about publicly prosecuting him for 911!

Answer 7

That response, to me, demonstrates ignorance and a blind hatred for the current Administration. Does anyone think that this view could have been publicly stated in Nazi Germany??

Answer 8

The cost of living has gone way up, at least partly due to Bush's policies. The gap between the rich and poor has widened greatly.

The attacks of 9/11 happened on his watch, and he boasts by telling us that we haven't been attacked since.

He's mortgaged our future by spending billions on his war, while vetoing bills that would help our most vulnerable citizens here at home.

And that's only the beginning. But I agree, it's not fair to compare him to Hitler.

Answer 9

It really is quite infuriating to hear such speech, but hey, this is America, he has that right. I know who you're talking about, he ALWAYS posts like that with his smug little highlighted-hair avatar. He's just a bitter and unhappy person, ignore him.

Answer 10

if (GOD FORBID!) hillary clinton gets installed as president, you will be AMAZED at how great this country is again all of a sudden. and just for the record, we are better off today than seven years ago in almost every way...except for illegals, there are MILLIONS more of them now...