Where is the capitalists utopia?

Question

Some say that the US. has far too much socialism, it's killing the US. and the only system that "works" is capitalism. so which country is the most free from socialist policies?

dstr is legendry, but i am particularly lookin for where the capitialist ideals lead, the end result.

Answer 1

Despite the widening wealth gap, the Wal-Martization of the economy, Katrina, Iraq, stolen elections, an $8 trillion national debt, tax cuts for the wealthy, and increasingly rapacious acts by corporations, many Americans are still oblivious to our descent into fascism. Sucking on the pacifier of conspicuous consumption, they "shop til they drop", lining Corporate America's pockets and freeing the ruling elite to pursue world domination, as outlined in the Project for the New American Century and the Bush Doctrine.

Certainly there are some decent human beings who hold great wealth or positions of power in the United States, but their voices and actions are readily neutralized by the far more numerous spiritually hollow individuals whose existence is predicated on attempting to fulfill their insatiable lust for money and domination of other people.

One of the wealthy ruling elite's most poignant victories against progressive, humane forces has been their crushing blow to working people around the globe. Since the advent of the Industrial Revolution and the birth of the prevailing virulent form of Capitalism, the working class has been a festering thorn in the side of their masters, motivating them to devote a great deal of energy to keep them subdued.

Representing a necessary evil, workers in America and abroad are the engine of the Corporatocracy, as both the producers and consumers who power the Capitalist economy. While monstrous men like Henry Kissinger would move to shrink their numbers through starvation (or perhaps carpet bombing) if permitted, they still recognize that these "beasts of burden" are indispensable.

Not surprisingly, political ideologies which seek to empower the poor and working class have been heavily vilified by those who hold a vested interest in keeping wealth and power in the hands of a few. Americans are inculcated with the belief that men like Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Salvador Allende, and Evo Morales are (or were) our enemies. It is anathema, we are taught, to our "free market system" and "democracy" when leaders of other sovereign nations end the persistent grip of an entrenched oligarchy and raise a majority of their people out of abject poverty. With such beliefs, perhaps America's moral deficit exceeds its fiscal one.

Answer 2

That would be the US. Most countries today have some form of Capitalism - even China and Russia, but they also have a socialist society as well. Most European countries are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. Still, the US has the most prosperous Capitalistic, free-market system in the world - for good or ill!

Answer 3

capitalism will soon fall. the mere peak of capitalism is imperialism and imperialism means war and destruction. revolutions in the developing countries are united to put an end to capitalism and give way to the most advanced society in the world, socialism. so if the people will not see the reality and will still embrace the greedy capitalist system, the world will be under the evils of the greatest fascist, the ******' US of A!

Answer 4

Well, it's obvious no one here has a clue about capitalism.

There is no capitalist utopia as socialists always corrupt them.

As far as I'm concerned, a socialist is no better than a common thief.

Would any of you trespass on another's property and rob him or steal from another individual?

If not, then why assume a politician has the right to do that for you, even in the name of the "public good"?

Ironically, those of you who believe democracy is the cure all, think again.

Suppose, a solid majority supported pure capitalism? You socialists would ignore the majority because you believe the majority is wrong. Get a clue folks, a majority is nothing more than a majority, it is niether right nor wrong, just big and threatens individuals in a socialist democracy as socialist democracies teach that a majority has the "right" to trample the minority, especially the smallest minority, the individual.

In a pure capitalist society, the individual's rights, trumps majority opinion and a proper government would intervene on behalf of the individual.

All you folks are just fine with a majority as long as it mirrors your own beliefs but someday, a majority may just not miror your beliefs but the complete opposite. Will you follow the will of the majority like a good slave?

Under capitalism the state is separated from economics (production and trade), just like the state is separated from religion. It is the system of political freedom.

Government is seperated from ecomomics because as we should have all learned by now, when buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.

Only capitalism declares that each and every person, may live their own life for their own happiness, as an end to themselves, not by permission of others, but by right, and that government's sole responsibility is to protect those rights, and never violate them, because they are inalienable.





"Manufacturing and commercial monopolies owe their origin not to a tendency imminent in a capitalist economy but to governmental interventionist policy directed against free trade and laissez faire."

- Ludwig Mises, "Socialism"


The only certain fact about Russian affairs under the Soviet regime with regard to which all people agree is: that the standard of living of the Russian masses is much lower than that of the masses in the country which is universally considered as the paragon of capitalism, the United States of America. If we were to regard the Soviet regime as an experiment, we would have to say that the experiment has clearly demonstrated the superiority of capitalism and the inferiority of socialism.

Ludwig Mises in Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis

Answer 5

You are the victim of a false dichotomy that is the result of bumper-sticker right-wing sloganeering.

There would be no capital markets were it not for democratization. Democratization led to capital markets, and that, in turn, led to more democratization. With democratization came socialized programs beginning with a publicly funded police force, and federally funded military, public firehouses, etc. Because in a democracy, people band together and support things that are desirable for the community, so there has never been an animal like you describe.

A dictatorship is a lousy environment for capital markets, and capital markets lead the locus of power to shift and favor democratization to a point, and there has never been a republic that had no socialized programs. Never.

Only dittoheads and idiots think otherwise because they are stuck in an intractable, inflexible, and unthinkingly non-pragmantic ideology.

Answer 6

I want dstr for president. I think I am In love. lol , No really wow ! I could not have said it better.

We need capitalism as well as socialism, I do not think a country works well with just one or the other,I can not think of a country that has only capitalism. Is there one? I will have to research it.

Answer 7

DSTR... hit that one out of the park,...Agree, Totally Agree..100%..

OK, then to answer the question in my own words, I do not believe that a capitalist utopia should exist... China is considered by less educated people on this forum to be Communist, but clearly that paradigm only applies to it's poor ... Saudi Arabia would be another pure Capitalist state under the auspices of a theocracy, but again that only is rhetoric for the masses.. they are purely capitalistic.... Capitalist Utopia? .. does exist, for the corporatist' world wide that are able to capitalize on the suffering of cheap labor.

Answer 8

It seems to depend on the "capitalists."

Some right-wing "capitalist" think tanks, e.g. the Heritage Institute, have pointed towards police states such as Singapore, as an approximation of "capitalism."

Some libertarian "capitalist" authors, e.g. Murray Rothbard, have pointed towards economic redistribution as a move towards "capitalism."

(see "Confiscation and the Homestead Principle:")

http://www.mises.org/journals/lf/1969/1969_06_15.pdf

It's not always clear which "capitalism," or combination of "capitalism," each "capitalist" supports.

Answer 9

"Some say?"

Really?

Who? Where are they?

The only thing "KILLING" this country is rampant monopolies, tax dollars being given to highly profitable companies, legal tax loopholes for those same highly profitable companies, and companies moving their offices "offshore" to get out of paying their FAIR SHARE of taxes while STILL reaping the benefits of the American tax dollars. (Like Halliburton moving to Dubai).
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You're "looking for where capitalism leads?"

Right here, baby. Capitalism on ACID. Good ol' America. The "end result" is a Grand Canyon between socio-economic classes.

Answer 10

America is the most capitalistic country in the world.