Are black people in America victimizing themselves?

Question

No Racist Crap please. I'm asking if you think that there is a mind set that in order to be truly black that one must be poor, or ghetto?

I wasn't saying that I though being truly black was being ghetto. I was simply stating that from what i've seen and experienced that many people in the black community appear to be afraid to rise to the middle class, and assimilate themselves in American culture. Read the essay by Steele "On Being black and middle class". I won't dignify the comment stupid fn white boy with a comment, because I want to make this an intellectual socio economic debate. Not a race pissing contest.

Buddy and dr. Shan. Bud there is no genetic proof that any race is better than another one so contribute a coherant idea instead of an attempted social Darwanistic comment. Shan i'm sorry you feel I am a racist I really am trying to discuss a social phenomenon i've seen. Actually my step father is black, and I grew up in a town that was fifty percent black. I'm not saying I know what being black is like, i'm just trying to discuss a social trend I see in black culture.

I looked up Baker, to me his comments about the Duke lacrosse teams are false. He called the mother of a woman who's son wan not accused the mother of a "farm animal" I don't think your personal preference makes him a better author. He is a racist.

Answer 1

There are some that it can be argued have victimized themselves by failing to try rise above the federally funded lifestyle and obtain a minimal education. I do think there is a spoken mindset to be truly black one must be poor ghetto but if you were to poll the impoverished and undereducated black community about their feelings of black people who are successful and have risen above you'd be surprised to see the resentment.

This is going to sound harsh and if it does I'm sorry however it needs to be said. There is a difference between sitting back and having entire generations of your family subside on government handouts and the persons who find themselves impoverished and strive toward more. While they may use these government programs to get by it is toward the goal of self-sufficiency.

With my view of the down south black person it seems as if we are so divided there are those of who want nothing and so will have nothing and then there are those of who want so much more and work hard toward it. It's funny to see how those who aren't going anywhere try to influence those who are forcing an elevation of status. It is even more interesting to be a fly on the wall when the names get called...

Answer 2

With some of course. If a ppl are oppressed long enough, they eventually believe that they belong where they are. So even if the severity of their situation is much improved (meaning slavery long abolished, Jim Crow being gone about 40 yrs.) Some still have to develop the belief they are worthy & capable of greater things. Many do & have but others don't/can't visualize themselves as being apart of mainstream society. Even in cases where their economic means are dramaticly improved (maybe thru sports or entertainment) they still carry with them the same self-destructive habits that hurts them in the long run. The fact that racism continues to exist doesn't help, but when a culture develops that endorses self destructive behaviors, it doesn't matter anyway. So what originated with white supremacy has developed into a self-feeding monster like the drug culture. Not all blk ppl participate yet too many do. It would help if better images of black men & blk women in mainstream media are shown more often.

Answer 3

I dont see that. What I do see are a lot of black people who set themselves apart from the rest of society with their use of the names they choose for their children or the way they dress or wear their hair. In an attempt to show their heritage, or whatever it is, they separate themselves from most of the other people in this country. I understand the need to show who they are, but we pretty well know people are black without finding out their name is Shakeela or putting thier hiar in cornrolls. I also know that if I said any of these things out loud or in public, I'd probably get sued. I work with a lot of black people, but even then, there are times when they'll say I cant go somewhere because it's a black thing. I'd never tell them they couldnt do this or that because it's a white thing. The whole thing is getting a little too carried away and I dont know what it will take to make everyone treat everyone else like a human being and not identify them by what country their ancestors came from.

Answer 4

you are a racist. how many black people do you know and where are you coming in contact with them? i grew up in an affluent, all-black neighborhood where 99 percent of my friends and colleagues earned either masters or phds. the other 1 percent went into the military. you are attaching yourself to a stereotype and attempting to explain something you have so contextualization for, so please, either leave the analysis to those who know what their doing, or accept the people you come in contact with for their strongest links and not their weakest. the fact that you would quote shelby steele of all people tells the story -- he's a self-loather married to a *****-hating white woman! try reading houston baker instead.

Answer 5

It's true that every race plays the victim role from time to time. I believe blacks are targeted a little more by police. Racism still ecxist. It doesn't help, putting police stations in the middle of black, or more poor neigborhoods. You want to keep people down, that's the way. I'm not saying I know a solution, but live by the golden rule(do unto others as you would have them do unto you) and things should work themselves out. Maybe in predominantly black neigborhoods, where we put police stations, we could make sure that at least %50 of the police force is black?

Answer 6

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Answer 7

Well; I am afri. amer. and yes, sometimes I do but only if you are in that type of environment. When I used to live the 'ghetto' I used to get picked on because I was not afraid to not use slang, to speak properly, to have manners, listen to what music I LIKED and to dress how I PERSONALLY chose to so and so fourth. But when my family and I moved to a much different environment...the suburbs...Most of the ppl my age did not see me as trying to be better than they were...*Its a really sad issue!!!
To answer you; not there is not a "mind set" to be truly black...If that was true; there wouldnt be any progress in our race/culture.

Answer 8

No, I've never come across what you speak of; the people I've come across see you as truly black based on the way you look not the way you act or live

phlada64 ^^^ needs to educate herself a little more, black people don't wear cornrows to show we're black we do it because that's one of predominant ways we style our hair; just because your kind of hair is stagnant doesn't mean that ours is

Answer 9

That is not what we think at all!

Being Black is not even thought about as having to ''be poor'' or ghetto. it is usually falsely associated with certain ways of talking and dressing. also, your personal interest in things like hip hop music.

Black people perfectly understand the measurements that need to be taken to improve ourselves. the question is: will white people scream ''reverse discrimination'' if we make organizations to do so?

Answer 10

Yep. Not all of us specifically, but as a big general culture, hell yes. And I don't have the time or energy to start a list of how.