A Right to Health Care?

Question

With all the talk about a 'right to health care', does anybody wonder what that really means?

Health care is the product of somebody's labor.

There was a time in the world when some thought they had a 'right' to the labor of others, but that was supposed to have become unacceptable.

I can not claim the right to the labor of people to work on a plantation any more that I can claim the right to the labor of a person working in health care. Further, I have no inherent right to claim the labor of taxpayers for my wants or needs.

I have a natural right to life, liberty and property which is not granted by the government. It is a natural right. The government is supposed to be prevented from taking it away from me by the Constitution.

Who thinks they have a right to health care and if so, what makes that different from claiming a right to slaves?

Free Radical...

I appreciate your considered response. That said, I wonder why it is that anybody would think of the existence of a fire department as a right. It is not.

Children have the luxury of believing that police and firemen exist by default and work for nothing. We both know that is not true.

Adults have the responsibility of protecting their children and some of these protective measures are arranged and funded collectively. A fire department is not a right. It is a service, bought and paid for.

Health care is not a right. Emergency health services are bought and paid for similarly, such that any person can receive emergency treatment. We all pay to make that possible. The question is whether we should collectively extend this to preventative or elective care for all people.

The biggest gap between us I think is that I do not believe my rights are given by the government. I had them all along, but the right to your property is not one of them.

Ladymoon...

Your answer illustrates the difference between a considered disagreement (like freeradical's) and an emotional outburst (like yours).

Your analysis is deliberately inaccurate and does not lend itself toward discussion.

Good afternoon.

Interesting TAMTATION,

As it turns out, I am dirt poor and I think your standard of living is excessive.

By your reasoning, I am entitled to what is yours, or I have a right to expect you to mow my lawn.

So, hop to it. I like to have nice little stripes on the lawn like on baseball infields. You will probably want to leave half your money in my mailbox as well.

luvinit...

It is nice of you to think that I am 'too good' for one job or another luvinit.

As it turns out, I am not too good for any job and worked my way up from landscaping to pizza delivery to military service, etc. etc. to where I am now.

I know it is more convenient to imagine anybody who disagrees with collectivism as a person with an inheritence. Then you can simply ignore the concept of liberty.

Sorry to disappoint. I am quite ordinary AND I don't expect subsidies from those with more than me. Go figure.

Answer 1

I wish I could give you 100 more stars.
It's so nice to see somebody on this forum that has a functional brain. It's stunning that so many people think they have a "right" to take their fellow citizens' money, labor, or property.

If everyone dies and I'm the last person on the planet, I still have the right to free speech. Nobody is required to give it to me. If there are no doctors, who will provide your "right" to health care? Nothing can be a right if someone else is necessary to provide it. Anybody with 2 active brain cells to rub together should be able to figure this out.

Answer 2

Caregivers; I have been a caregiver all of my adult life. For the most part my caring was not bought, I was there because I truly did care. There are many professional agencies who are there for the caregivers needs and further training of specialty care. those caregivers were bought. How does it feel to be such a slave to managed labor? How does it feel to withhold care because the labor and treatment can not be bought? It feels like a slow death. Die; I will eventually, but not before I have said or done all that I could to stay alive and well, I live in a community full of disease, and they think in those terms. How does it feel to walk on by and not shed anything for the other guy; not a glance, not even a thought? Slave labor creates that kind of mind. When the money runs out; there will be plenty of words; they are our very last words but they will always live on..

Answer 3

You are absolutely right, and I think the point you make is well put. It would indeed make a good point in the past, and up until about 10 years ago. Unfortunately, your point will probably fall on mostly deaf ears (so to speak). Americans, fueled by Democrat attitudes, have adopted an attitude of "What can everyone do for me?" "I have a right to everything that everyone else works for". "I am looking to become a victim of something." The pull-your-own-weight mentality is disappearing. Replaced by a socialist attitude that dictates, I deserve things, no matter what the government cost is. And, of course, it is those people who work and strive to become financially stable (already paying about 35% tax) that will have to pay more. I myself, just barely squeek by from year to year. But everything I have is payed for and I don't expect anyone to give me anything. I'm willing to work for what I need and don't want our government to become mom and dad, and evolve in to a government where the population is dependant for daily needs.

Answer 4

Doctors make too much money!! Why would one need so much. What for? It just puts a drain on society - concentrating on greed rather than helping those in need. Same with pharmaceuticals. The right to health care should not cost so much that it is out of reach of most people. Law makers should make the public their main priority rather than corporations and rich families. Albeit, the law makers themselves are from rich families or have become that way and now are serving themselves. We need good wholesome people to run our governments, not selfish selfserving narrow minded persons who cannot see beyond their small world of heavily guarded white picket fences with a standard issued family with a high paying job.

Answer 5

um okay...well what about the people that work jobs that people like you are "too good to work at" like fast food, grocery stores, retail ect...Somebody has to work there and those employers generaly don't offer full time to employees so no health care benefits? Shouldn't good, hard working people that go to work everyday and can barely afford to pay bills get the chance to go to the doctor? If they are Americans? I mean without insurance it's pretty much impossible to afford regular doctors visits let alone surgery ect if something was to happen to them.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

"rights" are not immutable or fixed. they are relative to the capacity and ability of the society and to that societies guiding principles (in the case of the US, that would be the constitution). it would be foolish and nonsensical to say that the ancient Romans had a right to 21st century health care.

however, our society is both wealthy and advanced, and perfectly capable (however unwilling) to provide this kind of service to its citizens. and since there is an ever increasing need for it...why shouldn't it be a right?

how long ago would it have been been that a person would have laughed at you if you had said that police and fire departments were a necessary right of the people to be provided by the government for the common good of each community? only about 150-200 years ago...yet we take that for granted now. those services are also supported by the labor of others. are policemen and firemen "slaves" to the system, the people, or the government? are the people "slaves" to their services?

Answer 8

You have a right for a fare trial too.Does that make slaves of the legal system.I have a constutional right to have access to health care.It does not make it free and doctors get payed very well.Of course I`m not a American and you should have a systom you like,I understand if you have good access to health care ,why would you want to change?

Answer 9

in the UK we are meant to get free health care but things are that bad from the immigrants coming in that it is stretched to the limit i know it sounds daft but we have to pay national insurance then the immigrants pay nothing and take all the benefits and get seen first

Answer 10

This is to LADYMOON: Poor people in this country do have healthcare. It's called Medicaid, which costs Americans thousands and thousands of dollars each year in taxes. We do not neglect the poor. Just wanted you to be aware.