Why does the liberal definition of freedom limit my ability to choose?

Question

They are for taking away my ability to choose guns, medical care, education for my children, what to do with my money, etc. It seems that the liberals want to remove my freedom, not protect it. Am I wrong?

Answer 1

Why does the GOVERNMENTs definition of freedom limit my ability to choose?

Both sides my friend, and until we wake up and realize that there is virtually no difference when it comes to politics, they will continue their rampant disregard of common sense and the constitution.

The middle class is under attack from both sides.

The only good thing about the upcoming recession/depression is that some of us may finally wake up and stop this partisan BS and realize they have ALL screwed us. And have been for decades.

Answer 2

You are definately wrong. It is the conservatives who limit things. By definition liberal meas more and conservative means less. You can have guns, no one is stopping you. You don't need an assault rifle or a bazooka but for sport and personal protection you may own a rifle, shot gun or pistol. You may, in fact own several of each unimpeded. As long as you follow the rules with them no one is going to complain.

You will have a choice under the AFFORDABLE health care plan of the Democrats. If you are currently covered by a plan at work, you will have the option of keeping that plan, probably at a lower premium cost, or go to a different plan. Who and how is anyone trying to stop you from educating your children? We have public schools, private schools, home schooling, religion run schools and you have your choice as to which you choose from. The "no child left behind" program forces teachers to teach to the test rather than what the kids really need. The last I heard that was championed by neocons and cons. As far as your money is concerned you can spend it any way you want. In any modern society the government is going to get some of it and will spend it as they see fit. You have representatives in your local, state, and federal governments who are part of the decision making process in how some of your money is spent. If you are not satisfied with the way they represent you than you need to write to them and tell them how you want to be represented. I would hardly call the so called 'patriot' act defending your freedom. It usurps or attempts to usurp the Constitution and that is something championed more by conservatives than liberals.

Answer 3

Of course you're wrong. Your question is based on the logical fallacy called 'straw man argument' -- that is, you ignore your opponant's true position and substitute some fabricated position which you can easily knock down.

Guns. MOST people who describe themselves as Liberals are NOT seeking a total ban on firearms, only reform of firearm regulation. Are you suggesting the only possible options are either complete prohibition or no regulation whatsoever? If yes, then you are guilty of the logical fallacy called "false dichotomy." If no, then explain how proposed regulatory reforms like requiring that firearms dealers be properly licenced is equal to "taking away my ability to choose guns."

Medical care. I'm not aware of any serious proposal for single payer insurance that would differ significantly from our current multi-payer system in allowing choice of providers. Neither am I aware of any insurance plan that doesn't have a network of accepted providers with hefty fees for going out of network. Your "ability to choose" under the current system already so limited as to be very little choice at all, and this system is not of liberal creation.

Education for your children. There has never been a time when Americans have not been free to opt-out of public education for their children and choose an alternative such as private school or home school. Your beef boils down to an overwhelming sense of entitlement, an expectation that our tax dollars should PAY for your choice to opt-out. Suppose I didn't like the way the local police department patrolled my neighborhood and hired Wackenhut security guards to patrol. Naturally, my local government would refuse to pay the Wackenhut fees. How is insisting that our tax dollars pay for private education any different than my (hypothetical) demand that tax dollar pay for private security guards?

What to do with you money. (??!?!??!?) Are you one of those "taxation is theft" wackos? It is a central function of ANY government to collect and disburse revenues. My father paid taxes, my grandfather paid taxes, and HIS father and grandfather paid taxes. Who the H3LL are YOU that you should be excused from paying taxes? You enjoy the benefits of having a phone in your home, you expect to pay for those benefits. You enjoy the benefits of living in the USA, you expect to pay for those benefits too.

If I walk around in August wearing a parka, it SEEMS like it's a 110 in the shade. That doesn't make it 110 in the shade. Why don't you find out what REAL liberals support instead of obsessing on the imaginary straw man liberal who lives only between your ears?

Answer 4

Guy, your own words are evidence that you are poorly informed.
By subsidizing health care, you are free to choose which private insuance company you obtain coverage. You are even free to decide whether or ot to be covered.

The 2nd amendment isn't in as much danger as you think it is.

You are more than free to decide where your children goto school. But if you want to pay for religious indoctronization, while calling it education, you'll have to pay for it yourself.

Is paying higher and higher prices to a medical corporation any different than paying that same money to prevent losses incurred from people who cannot pay their bills? To intelligent people it is. It means our costs stop escalatiing becuase of a growing amount of people who cannot afford care causes profit loss to medical providers that are passed onto the rest of us in the form of higher prices.

YES you are wrong.

Answer 5

The most glorious moment in politics is when you catch a Liberal off guard. Then you learn what he or she really thinks.

Such a moment came when Hillary Clinton frankly told her opinion about the intellect and decision making ability of the average American:

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people."

(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)

THAT, in a nutshell, is the whole philosophy behind Liberals wanting to restrict your freedom to choose. In their minds, you are too stupid to make good choices for yourself. In their eyes, you and I never reach the intellectual stage of adulthood where we are expected to run our own lives.

Answer 6

They absolutely take your freedom when they grab your cash! I live in Liberal NY State where we never have enough taxes! We always need more government! Way to go, Freedom lovers!!!! Maybe I can take the bus somewhere...oops...it's government run.

They're now fighting a camera law in the city of Buffalo. Designed by Democrats, by the way. The idea is to install cameras in high crime areas. The people who live there, WANT THEM, but the ACLU wants to protect the criminal's freedom to rape and steal. I guess they are for freedom.

Answer 7

I am pro gun, be we need reasonable limits, no one is saying you have to use a public form of health care, and I do not remember who implemented the "no child can get ahead act", and If I recall, The war in Iraq has cost about 500,000,000 dollars.

I don't need to be on my patrol route and have some drug dealer open up on me with his M249 SAW from a window.

Answer 8

Why should the government allow you to choose anything. Especially guns. When we have better guns than the government, then we might just overthrow them, then how will they be able to take away my freedom.

* note : //sarcasm// *

Answer 9

You are correct. Socialism cannot exist along side freedom.

Answer 10

⌘ I thought conservatives were against pro-choice.
☾as in "don't kick the baby!ᴉ!"☽
I also thought they like to limit free speech
and take away freedom of privacy