since conservatives consider any talk of making health care insurance affordable and accessible to everyone..?

Question

as free health care
and any talk of not immediately deporting every illegal alien regardless of the inabiliy to do it or cost as amnesty
and any talk of bringing our troops home from iraq as un-American and not supporting the troops
and any talk of reforming the tax and social securtity systems as raising taxes
will anything ever get acomplished by those in Washington,DC?

the question is as long as each side has such varied views will anything ever get accomplished?

a fair flat tax would be fantastic
with absolutely no deductions or credits for anyone regardless of what they make including all of business and no subsidies of any kind tied into it

slim whitm...
i appreciate your views don't agree with all of them but at least it is an answer to the question. i feel that government can do good things and can make things better but not the way it is run now. setting good policy does not have to mean run by the government.

Answer 1

NO
As long as the majority on each side of the isle continue to bow down to their leaders instead of the electorate. Until enough moderates are elected and are willing to stand up and actually discuss issues we will continue down this path.
Our country deserves better then what it has gotten from either side of the isle or from the administration. All politicians care about is getting even with the other party for what they did when in power. You investigate our president so we'll investigate yours, when you were in power you abused ethics so it's okay if we do and on and on.

Answer 2

Well the country was not founded on socialism. All the way up to JFK, our leaders and people believed in hard work, ingenuity and independence- it is our work ethic that won us praise across the globe and won WWI and WWII. Educating our children that they cannot succeed, that they owe the government nothing and that the government owes them and generally breeding in a lack of work ethic and a sense of entitlement is what is destroying America. No one opposes safety nets for those that slip through the cracks but those who have the physical and mental ability to provide for themselves should do so. No one making $60k + a year should get free health insurance, that is insanity.
Illegals are draining the economies of the southwest and must be dealt with. They have no RIGHT to be here.
Most soldiers understand their mission and do NOT feel you are supporting them by pushing for their withdrawal without a victory.
When Bush sought to reform SS you all screamed and claimed there was no problem. Raising taxes is not the answer to economic problems and raising the FICA tax at the rate proposed by the dems is not either- How about 1/2 % tax on income from $60k/yr up to a million or some other small fraction of a percentage up to a higher number rather than the full burden added to more middle class wages???

Answer 3

Don't oversimplify arguments, it makes you sound foolish.

Government health care no, I don;t like that idea. Reigning in overly inflated costs for health care and the undue influence of insurance companies in order to make health care more affordable yes, it requires no increase in the Fed's power.

Your second point is unrealistic, and most people know that. It is the ultimate goal though, they came here illegal so deport them whenever we catch them.

Most would argue that the Iraq War was pointless, but that bringing troops home before Iraq is stabilized is only go to lead to more problems in the middle east and more blow back for the USA.

There have been too many "tax reforms" for most people to trust the concept anymore. Tax reform rarely does anything besides create more loopholes for friends, sponsors and associates of the politicians then in office.

You also blended two different things, tax increases and tax reform. They are not the same thing. You can increase taxes simply by creating new ones, while tax reform doesn't neccessarily imply tax increases or cuts.

Answer 4

Nothing will ever be solved by Government. Politicians are nothing but winners of a popularity contest. Solving problems makes people unpopular with part of the whole group so they let the problems slide to remain popular with more people.

There is no such thing as FREE HEALTH CARE. My tax money will be spent on someone else as usual.

Criminals that break into OUR country must be removed. If they broke into your home you would insist they be removed right.

If we bring OUR troops home with out a decisive win. The terrorists will follow they as if they chased them out. And bring the war to our homes causing the death of American civilians.

Please tell me how to reform taxes and social security without raising taxes. Not just for you and me but for everyone. The fact that someone has been able to amass more money than someone else does not make them responsible for the poorer person. No one has respect for money they did not earn. Welfare recipients with 52"plasma TVs are not spending MY money wisely. Lottery winners go broke all the time. If you can't earn it you don't deserve it.

Answer 5

I am a Conservative, and I consider:

Any greater role of government in our health care system as counter productive,

Any talk of immediately deporting all illegal aliens as unrealistic and cost prohibitive,

Any talk of bringing troops home before stability can be maintained as shortsighted (against the war initially, so try not apply 'chicken hawk' too liberally)

Any budgetary discussions that leave out cutting spending as naive and only half the battle.

And last, I am very skeptical about any "accomplishments" ever made in Washington.

Do those views fit into your paradigm?

Answer 6

That is a very myopic viewpoint my friend and very radically skewed.

Affordable and accessible health care and free health care provided by the government are drastically different things.

Amnesty provided to illegal aliens is a simple nullification of a law. You might as well ignore all of our laws.

Everyone wants our troops to come home safely, especially those of us who are actually serving in the armed forces. However, there is a job to finish.

I'll remind you that the Republican congress before the current group of esteemed politicians currently serving, along with the republican president reformed the tax system and lowered taxes.

You would be wise to thoughtfully consider the "big picture" before blindly casting criticism. There are a multitude of issues that can just as easily be considered blindly liberal, but pointing them out as radically as you have doesn't solve them, it only makes one look foolish.

Answer 7

Things are getting accomplished but unfortunately, it seems to be at our expense. It should be widely known and accepted that most people are falling behind. It seems acceptable (valued) that some will get it all and others will get nothing. Where is the humanity? My father has said that we cannot compete with the Chinese because we won't live the way that they do. Although it seems the Hispanic population (I'm sure others as well) will live in crowded and subpar conditions. Although, I will say that I know of plenty of people that have moved in with their parents so more native born Americans are living in more crowded connections because they aren't making it on their own. Natick, MA is a very affluent town (wasn't always that way, recent phenomenon) and they are experiencing a lot of foreclosures. Housing is extremely expensive. A brand new 1 bedroom condo is selling at $419,000 and above. That's a 1 bedroom. Is that not insane? You still need a car and probably have to buy a parking space as well. That parking space probably costs around $100,000. Natick is about 20 miles west of Boston.
Our quality of life is declining. What will it take? The rich are great at hiding the problems that exist. If you don't see it then it doesn't exist.

Answer 8

Something getting accomplished is possible when liberals realize they can't turn this into a socialist state, victory is within our grasp when libs quit taking the enemy's side, and forget about trying every way to smear a decent man who is Prez right now.

Last time I checked, there were no interns hurt or abused during this administration.

Answer 9

But they also say: If you want that pork project you got to give me my pork project. They are all too hooked on pork to let nothing happen. There won't be any 'good' government for next two years.

Answer 10

Why is it the only solution for liberals is more government?

to address your questions I don't believe government should be the solutions to most of the topics you mentioned.



I believe their responsibility should be to secure our borders, and protect our interests abroad.

As far as Iraq, and Afghanistan and elsewhere I believe our troops need to finish the mission. The libs scream the mission was WMD's.. My view is and was the mission was a stable country in the middle of a hotbed of radical islam. I prefer the battle remain "over there" so muslim nutjobs aren't bombing cities on our shores. Iraq is stablizing. Granted our leaders made a few mistakes early on about understanding the complexities of the mission, that said many adjustments have made and impact. I believe the Iraqi people need to deal with the corrupt politicians as much as we do.



Fact - Our energy needs are inherently dependent on foreign "entanglements". This is because of the stranglehold of environmentalists have on politicians.

People who come in this country without going through the legal channels are violating law. Why is it liberals are willing to be complicit in criminal activity when it is something that will bolster their constiuency?

I am all for Tax Reform and Social security reform..

I believe the government needs to get real about paying it's bills, I don't like the fact that 30% of my paycheck goes into one form of government or another.

We should take serious efforts to privatize social security and close that and other 1930s fascist style ponzi schemes,..

Free health care? NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE. Someone pays. Liberal have made it their tact to steal from one class of people to give to another class of people for political favor!!


If you want to see the outcome of government run healthcare look at the Veterans administration. It's a failure. I've got many good friends who are vets who have to sit for hours to see if they are eligible for services. I prefer to be able to decide who I see, and what kind of services I need.. I should not have to worry about whether it is eligible for payment. If I choose to pay for services out of pocket that should be our choice.
Medicare/Medicaid are 1960s extensions of ponzi schemes that have increased the cost of healthcare substantially because of compliance issues demanded by the fascists in the bureaucracies.

Taxes should be level. No one person should pay more as a percentage of their income. I truthfully favor the Fair tax. It does more for the "poor" in terms of tax savings then anything. The only downside is politicians lose tax policy as political leverage.




"A democracy is always temporary"

About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature ; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "

Think about the statement of Alexander Tyler in light of your views. And tell me where we are in the progression?

I believe we are in step 6 and 7.

edit:
michr In light of your edit, the vitriolic nature of Cons vs Libs doesn't take prisoners. I for one believe fully government is the problem. Not the people and their views. The belief that the government can solve it illogical. Any time government does something it costs more, then private enterprise.

edit 2: michr, unfortunately "defining policy" and running things are where the politicians are failing. Some politicians favor fascist style control of healthcare and other free enterprise entities where government tells private enterprise who they can serve and how much they should get paid. I will continue calling it what it is fascism. Policy definition and government control of private enterprise IS fascism. I do not like the view of things to come if that occurs ..