Another prove of the Bulgarian origin of the citizens of the Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia?

Question

For short FYROM (UN provisional reference, UN Resolutions #817 of April 7 and #845 of June 18 of 1993).

Krste Petkov Misirkov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krste_Misirkov ) was a philologist and publicist, mostly known for his work "On the Macedonian Matters". His writings are central to the issue of the existence, or not, of a Macedonian nation distinct from the Bulgarian nation. Here are just a couple of quotes of his book:

“Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians.”

“And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?”
("On the Macedonian Matters", Sofia 1903)

Why citizens of FYROM deny their Bulgarian origin while at the same time they try to convince the world that they are Macedonians, therefore Greeks?

Thanks johnny cee. It’s nice to know there are people who do care about truth out there…

Answer 1

Well, that’s what they have been taught. Inhabitants of FYROM claiming to be Macedonians also claim that they are a nation that, according to them, doesn't have any relation with the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Albanians or the Serbs and they were always living in this land! But according to the existing archives there was no objective reference to a "Macedonian" nation, in the beginning of the 20th century. Every official census reported only Greek, Bulgarian, Serbian and other populations but no "Macedonian" nation:

In 1877, according to a British ethnological map of Macedonia (British E.Stanford 1877), the area of Macedonia was mainly inhabited by Greeks, and in smaller amounts, Albanians, Turks, Vlahs, Serbs and Bulgarians. No mention on the existence of a separate "Macedonian" nation in the Balkans what so ever.


In 1904 the Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha for Thessalonika, Monastiri and Scopje, doesn't report any "Macedonian" nation:

Vilaeti of Thessalonica:
Greeks 373,227 - Bulgarians 207,317

Vilaeti of Monastiri :
Greeks 261,283 - Bulgarians 178,412

Santzaki of Scopje:
Greeks 13,452 - Bulgarians 172,735

(It must be noticed here that the Ottoman archives are quite indicating of the situation, since, as the rulers of the area, they would certainly emphasize the existence of a "Macedonian" nation if they noticed any, in order to divide the people.)



In 1906 the Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha for the area of Macedonia doesn't report any "Macedonian" nation:

423,000 or 41.71% Muslims (Turks and Albanians)
259,000 or 27.30% Greeks
178,000 or 18.81% Bulgarians
13,150 or 1.39% Serbs
73,000 or 7.72% others



In 1921 the census of the “Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes” (later known as “Yugoslavia”) doesn’t report any “Macedonian” nation:

8,946,000 or 74.4% Serbs and Croats
1,024,000 or 8.5% Slovenes
174,000 or 1.5% other Slavs
513,000 or 4.3% Germans
472,000 or 3.9% Hungarians
441,000 or 3.7% Albanians
229,000 or 1.9% Romanian
12,000 or 0.1% Italians
201,000 or 1.7% others


In 1926 the League of Nations doesn't report any "Macedonian" nation in the Greek region of Macedonia:

1,341,000 or 88.8% Greeks
2,000 or 0.1% Muslims
77,000 or 5.1% Bulgarians
91,000 or 6.0% others (mainly Jews)


And suddenly, in 1948, -just four years after Marshal Tito created Yugoslavia's southern republic and called it “People’s Republic of Macedonia” - as it is published in the encyclopaedia Britannica, the population of the republic became:

778,718 or 66.10% “Macedonians” (!!!)
198,313 or 17.21% Albanians
96,851 or 8.04% Turks
9,508 or 0.90% Vlachs
( and no Greeks!!!)

Somehow, while the Muslims were divided into Turks and Albanians, the Greeks with the Bulgarians and the Serbs became the "Macedonians"!??! Miracle! Miracle!!

Answer 2

There are more proofs of the Bulgarian origin of the Slav-Macedonians.
It is claimed by their own politicians!

Former FYROMian prime minister Georgievski and founder of VMRO-DPMNE declared that he always nurtured a Bulgarian ethnic consciousness, and that he is willing to challenge a panel of academics by opposing the "official historiography" with a pro-Bulgarian view.
He stated that ,in the evening political talk show led by the A1 TV station editor-journalist Aleksandar Čomovski, during a marathon interview about OKTA affair, his current engagement in the politics of Bulgaria, Ohrid Agreement, 2001 affairs and present security crisis including his plan for partitioning of FYROM.

And an exelent analysis by Denko Maleski, fmr. Slav-macedonian Minister for foreign affairs of FYROM, for the "Utrinski Vesnik" newspapers:

"The lack of capability by "macedonists" in condition of democracy, also contributes to the vision of their opponents. THE CREATION OF THE MACEDONIAN NATION, for almost a half of century, WAS DONE IN A CONDITION OF SINGLE-PARTY DICTATORSHIP. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so, THE MACEDONIAN HISTORIOGRAPHY, UNOPPOSED BY ANYBODY, COMFORTABLY PERFORMED A SELECTION OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL FROM WHICH THE MACEDONIAN IDENTITY WAS CREATED. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, EXCEPT WHEN FALSIFICITATION FROM THE TYPE OF SUBSTITUTION OF THE WORD "BULGARIAN" WITH THE WORD "MACEDONIAN" WERE MADE. IN CASES WHERE THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE, THE PERSONS FROM HISTORY WERE PROCLAIMED FOR BULGARIAN AGENTS WHICH CROSSED INTO SOME IMAGINARY PURE MACEDONIAN SPACE".

and the link for it:
http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=C7A7DD4ECD45C946BF6573284EC01164

Answer 3

The population of the Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia is of special interest for HLA anthropological study in the light of unanswered questions regarding its origin and relationship with other populations, especially the neighbouring Balkanians (1).
A phylogenetic tree constructed on the basis of the high-resolution data deriving from other populations revealed the clustering of the citizens of FYROM together with other Balkan populations - Bulgarians, Serbians, Croats and Romanians, being most related to Bulgarians (2, 3) and Serbians.


Sources:

1. Petlichkovski A, Efinska-Mladenovska O, Trajkov D, Arsov T, Strezova A, Spiroski M (2004). "High-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Macedonian population".

2. Ivanova M, Rozemuller E, Tyufekchiev N, Michailova A, Tilanus M, Naumova E (2002). "HLA polymorphism in Bulgarians defined by high-resolution typing methods in comparison with other populations."

3. Bulgarian Bone Marrow Donors Registry -past and future directions - Asen Zlatev, Milena Ivanova, Snejina Michailova, Anastasia Mihaylova and Elissaveta Naumova, Central Laboratory of Clinical Immunology, University Hospital “Alexandrovska”, Sofia, Bulgaria.

and wikipedia

Answer 4

My proof is from my own family history and from my own experience, although there are numerous written sources of proof - history accounts, linguistic and ethnographic evidence, archaeological findings.

Personal experience: My grandmother told me how they travelled in a horse cart to escape from the advancing Turks. She told me how her father took his family to the free Bulgarian lands when there was war. She told me that before that he took part in the Ilinden uprising and that he was sentenced to death by the Turks, but managed to escape with the help of the British consul. He was from the region of present day Kastoria in Greece, a Bulgarian from the geographical area of Macedonia, who fought to free the lands inhabited by Bulgarians after they were left under Turkish domination. She told me that without dates and background history, as a witness who lived it.

Personal experience: out of 5 randomly chosen Bulgarians, one to three has relatives or family coming from the geographical region of Macedonia in the times of the Balkan wars.

Personal experience: the mural to the right of the door to the St. Naum church near Ohrid shows the Tsar who built the Church - St. Michail. This is the Christian name of the Bulgarian Tsar who made Christianity the official religion of 9th c. Bulgaria. I have seen it, although now it is severely damaged and I will not be surprised if, in the near future, someone decides to "refresh" the murals.

Personal experience: although for a period of 50 years the language spoken in the Republic of Mecedonia was intentionally serbisized, I can freely read the RM press and communicate with the citizens of RM with no formal training whatsoever.

I challenge every Macedonian to read an original text in "Macedonian" written before 1944, if s/he finds one, and then compare it to a text of the same time, written by an author from Central Bulgaria. And then explain to me how the two texts belong to a different language!

Specifically to Adam: please check your own history to see that a body of Bolgars, lead by Asparuh's brother Kuber settled exactly where present day Republic of Macedona is. These lands later became part of Bulgaria.

Despite the fact that numerous earlier and later settlers also took part in the formation of the Bulgarian people, Bulgarians are a Slavic people and we speak a Slavic language.

The fact that England was started by the Normans, does not make the English French, and the fact that France was started by the Francs, does not make the French Germans.


And last but not least, how can a people claiming to be direct descendants of ancient Macedon insist on their uniquely Slavic origin and claim a 1000 year old history?!?

Answer 5

There has been enough trouble in former Yugosalvia over issuses like this...Let it go. Focus on getting in the EU.

All this nationalist stuff has no place in the new Europe.

Answer 6

troll

Answer 7

Thank-you Wicked Apathy. I am learning a lot from your questions and those who answer.
I Cr 13;8a

Answer 8

First of all, the B'lguri were a turk folk and secondly,
Greece grew an overly neat paranoia after Alexander.

My suggestion: Visit the triangle and listen!
You'll know by music in which nation you are.
(Adjusting sunshades) I mean if you are
not capable of perceiving the lingual roots.