MORE good news out of Iraq?! What will happen to the liberals' defeatest rhetoric now?

Question

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/world/middleeast/08iraq.html?ei=5088&en=f9d310d7895a8fea&ex=1352178000&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1194526833-qBdbuDTNC0usCSRa4LBnQg

Read the article BEFORE you answer.

Snarkysmug,
Looks like someone didn't actually read the article. Your rhetoric is now shown more than ever to be baseless. I know any good news out of Iraq is bad for you libs, but try to be happy for these people.

Steve J,
When in the history of this nation have we broadcast our plans in a way that our enemy can get wind of them? I agree with benchmarks, but definite dates are simply impractical at this point.

Steve J,
You ducked the question.

Steve J,
Just answer the question already... I asked you SPECIFICALLY, when in the history of this nation have we broadcast, in advance, our plans to our enemies?

Steve J,
Thanks for FINALLY answering the question. However, he's done just what you've said. He has said that by (as I recall) summer of next year, we can possibly begin to draw down our troop numbers, if things continue to go well. One more piece of rhetoric down the drain.

Steve J,
"Possibly," meaning ASSUMING that things continue to go as well as they have. Context is important bro. No one can guarentee whether things will go worse or better in the next few months.

Steve J,
Flip flop! You wanted an approximate time. You got one. Now you're not happy with it. Bush just can't win with you people.

Captain,
When even the well-known left-wing-slanted paper called the New York Times admits there's progress being made, you know there HAS to be undeniable truth in it... Seeing as how they can't spin it in the left's favor, even though they try. Next!

Captain,
I'm not saying that we've achieved victory. Had I believed that, I'd be one of the 'bring our troops home now" crowd. The point is that the left has been talking about being in a "quagmire," about "defeat" in Iraq. They have denied any and all progress made, and this article FURTHER shows just how baseless their claims are.

Answer 1

After reading the article and the answers that precede mine just to see how the libs did react I would say it was about par for the course.
A couple say something nice then go negative while the rest were about evenly split between libs and cons.

Typical the libs always see the glass much closer to empty while cons try to see it at least half full.

The results of the surge are about as I expected with marked improvement in many areas and along way to go over all.

I love the way every one including G W has forgotten about 500 tons of yellow cake uranium that the IA EA actually knew about and was in fact still there when we got to it.
There also were numerous artillery shells with either SARIN or MUSTARD in them.
As for the rest of it I agreed with the war to begin with and still do. The main mistake I saw at the beginning was this small foot print deal Rumsfeild was pushing.
Now we have a much larger foot print and it is working.

Answer 2

Mission REALLY accomplished this time?

Should you guys get out the banner and flight suit again?

Is the insurgency in it's last throws again

Is that Baghdad market like Indiana in the summertime again

Are we being greeted as liberators again?

Excuse my skepticism, A bunch of clowns with flags on their lapels have been running up and down main street America yelling something about a wolf going on seven years now

....Oh and lookee here, that gosh dern liberal media NY times is your friend now

Not doubting progress, but your DECLARATION OF VICTORY for purely political purposes is just a wee bit premature

Don't make love to your wife with that attitude

Sorry but it's STILL a quagmire -- EVERYONE is saying we will be there for the next decade or two.

Another thing, things get better in an area when we focus on THAT AREA.

ASK YOURSELF (and be honest) - Is it possible for 150,000 troops (albiet with great military technology) to effectively occupy a land that is slightly more than twice the size of Idaho with a resistant population of 27 million, and which has borders like sieves while surrounded by enemy nations??

Answer 3

Until our administration can give us even an estimated date of withdrawal (at the rate things are going) we cannot say the war is going swimmingly.

Look, the point is our administration DOES NOT EVEN KNOW close to how long it will take. It's not that they won't announce the date. THEY HAVE NO IDEA! Because there truly is no end in sight.

Oh, I'm sorry. You wanted me to answer your loaded question.
Okay. Here it comes. There has been NO KNOWN POLITICAL IMPROVEMENT for a very long time in Iraq. And isn't it our one goal to make it so that they can fend for themselves?
Does that sound "defeatest" enough to you? It's also the truth.

No, we have never broadcasted that type of information. And I wasn't even talking about specifics. I meant like if the Bush administration were to say that if things keep up, we could leave within the next two years (assuming the next president maintains the same effort). Something like that. That is not specific enough for the terrorists to use it against us.
Something to keep in mind is that the terrorists will keep up THEIR effort in full force no matter what information they garner about us.

The keyword was 'possibly'. If he cannot tell us for certain, or at least that we "should be able to", then we still have a heck of a lot of work to do.
Problem with that is, you cons take it to mean everything is going ok. This isn't the first, or even second time our generals have predicted a possible withdrawal date. Who's to say this possible withdrawal date won't be worthless rhetoric once again?

Can't believe I'm adding more to this... no. No flip-flop. I, all along, wanted them to give us an estimate and tell us they are sure about it this time. They sure don't seem to be sure about the next projected date.

Answer 4

I remember the same type of articles in regards to the Vietnam War.

Even if Iraq becomes stable, I seriously doubt if they will have any lasting peace. Not until that country is allowed to steer its own course. That goes with Afghanistan too.

Peace

Jim

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Answer 5

Your picking a small article and as usual spinning the facts. Truth is this has been the deadliest year for Americans since the war of liars has began. Facts are that since al sadar asked his army to momentarily stand down during this surge explains the decrease in violence. As soon as the American soldiers leave the violence will increase.


declaration of war by Congresss is broadcasting plans. I believe this is the only time in USA history that congress has not declared a war before it started. I believe bush is related to Hitler.

Answer 6

This is outstanding news, and the fact that women and children are not being killed by the Wahhabi Al Qaida means the more general support from the local citizens for our troops. The green zone will just get bigger.

Answer 7

They may look at it as a problem.

Quote: "A Problem That Is Well Defined, Is Half Solved! A Problem That Is Ignored, Is No Problem! (C)"

Basically they would not want to be confused with the facts.

They want to surrender.

TMD

Answer 8

any concept that the iraq invasion was or is good for this country is false. we have made more terrorists, destroyed our reputation, and strengthened the hand of radical islamists everywhere.


i read it. the difference is I understand it.

"The biggest threat to Baghdad’s security is now Shiite militias" The Shiites are the ones in power.


Iraq is owned by militias.
The good news is that some warlords are changing sides, but that does not mean Iraq has a stable government or a democracy.
Also, Iraq has millions of refugees not thousands.

The problem is that the interests of the US have already been defeated in Iraq. This news may mean it is just not getting worse.

Answer 9

The Americans are winning the war but not the hearts of the Iraqis. To have a complete triumph, the Iraqis must be completely subjugated and to obey what the Americans wanted.

Answer 10

Their rhetoric will continue. It didn't stop a couple of days ago when almost 50,000 Iraqi refugees returned to their homes because the country is getting more stable and we are winning.


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