Why do can't people think through the propoganda about torture?

Question

All this bull about how torture doesn't work because they'll just tell you what you want to hear to make you stop torturing them.
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How about this? ......we know for certain Akmed knows where the nuclear bomb is in an American city and when it will go off. Put a ball-gag in his mouth and put him in extreme pain. Tell him the pain will not stop until the bomb has been found and disarmed. If it goes off he will die. Tell him the more and better information he gives, the sooner we will find the bomb and the sooner the pain will stop.
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So he won't tell you what you want to hear to get the pain to stop, because the pain won't stop until his information has been verified.
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Not that I advocate any particular method, but why can't people use their imagination a little and see past the classic straw-man argument about getting bad information?

Don't bother with the insults. Any screenwriter could think of this stuff.

....or a psychologist, or a CIA agent, or just some idiot like me with a keyboard. ....but not the sheeple apparently.

ha ha, "Do Can't" ....oops.

...he can use a pen. We have translators.

Fine Mr.X - Then Akmed has a really bad day and at least we tried.

Answer 1

The simplistic and false argument that torture never results in reliable information is totally bogus.
Consider, if torture never resulted in reliable information - no one would use it and it wouldn't be the latest hot button issue that it is.

Answer 2

there is an obtrusive answer to this question, yet regardless of ways it somewhat is stacked there is not any longer probably any evidence to instruct for the two account. The CIA or maybe our specific forces have continuously had Black Ops. those variety of operations are finished in finished secret and have the utmost impart relating to national protection. That go away allot of room open to get the interest finished. There has additionally been a coverage that we are able to abode political prisoners in forgien worldwide places that do help integrations like Israel. the place there's a will there's a fashion. once you look and use the over all protection of usa the quantity at which we are prepared to pass regularly gets stretched slightly.

Answer 3

Well, apart from the fact that it's wholly wrong, it can't truly be proven effective, especially against Radical Islamic terrorists. Any real Rad-Mus won't answer because they aren't afraid of death. If you have the wrong person you could get incorrect information. If you have the wrong person you could main or kill somebody for no reason.

Aside from the whole Geneva Convention thing, where's the line drawn?? Today we start waterboarding, tomorrow we start screwing off fingers and toes, what's after that? Simply beating to a bloody pulp?

Quite frankly, the intelligence agencies of the government are so effective that I see no reason we really need to torture people.

Answer 4

Your scenario is a fictional one straight out of an episode of 24. These things don't happen in real life. You can't justify daily torture with a hypothetical situation that most likely will never occur. It's like asking a pro-lifer if he would abort Hitler if he could go back to before his birth. The question is pointless because it's not based on reality.

Answer 5

"we know for certain Akmed knows where the nuclear bomb is in an American city and when it will go off."

How many times has this scenario played itself out in real life? Most of the stuff going on in places like Guantanamo are with suspected terrorists many of whom have been held so long any information they have is most likely worthless.

Answer 6

In the movies that could work. Remember that the terrorists that killed themselves using jet airliners as missles, or the countless terrorists that have strapped bombs to themselves and killed themselves and anyone else around them. If there is one thing you could say about terrorists it's that they are determined and devoted. I'd be surprised if tortured would get any information from these type of people.

What bothers me about the topic of torture is that if the US is going to use torture (and water boarding is torture) then we have no right to accuse other countries of human rights violations regarding torture or to try to continue a 'holier than thou' attitude or expect that if any of our troops are captured the same fate would wait for them.

Answer 7

every one has a breaking point and will tell all if the person doing the job knows what he is doing and this has been did since man first took prisoners, the P,C, who say torture is not on the books must have been born and raised in some sort of back woods out house, torture is a very effective method of gaining important information that could possible save a lot of lives, the Israeli's will attest to that, as it is one of their main tactics, but, no one complains about them using torture to gain information, But no one complains about them using torture, but , if America don't give the prisoners every thing they want then they have the A,C,L,U, a communist group to help defend them, and so many bleeding hearts in our own society our military don't have a thought about torture, But, I will guarantee if they lose a loved one to these extremest they will be hollering louder than any one else wanting to kill and question the prisoners ,including torture,

Answer 8

How well torture works depends on the person being tortured, I think. I would think you would have to know how to ask the right questions to illicit truthful answers. If you think that a person being tortured won't tell you what you want to hear, you're naive.

It's a horrible practice but, in reality it is very effective when the person doing the torturing knows how to anticipate and avoid the inevitable falsehoods.

Answer 9

because in extreme cases, no one will ever get in trouble for using torture......if that is what was needed to prevent an attack, there is no way anyone would get in trouble afterward

the problem is if you allow it under all kinds of circumstances, and then it gets overused and misused on innocent people....is that the type of morals you want our country to have?

Answer 10

you're the one with the strawman argument and an imaginary story.
the facts are that you get bad information from torturing.