Why do some men here insist it will not be "fair" until they are guaranteed consequence-free sex?

Question

Men want the "right" to have unprotected, casual sex, then be able to sign away any responsibility. Do women have any such luxury? No. If we become pregnant, we have to make the difficult choice between abortion, or going through with a pregnancy. Why do some insist it won't be "fair" until men can have all the unsafe sex they want, and walk away and never worry about it again, and leave the problem entirely with the woman?

dialect: Stick around. You must be new to GWS.

I apologize for not saying "some men" in the first sentence of the details, as I did in the initial question. I realize this is not the typical opinion of anyone, male or female. Rather, it's pretty much only seen here, and among some fringe groups that aren't really taken seriously by most people.

Answer 1

A few possibilities, each of which may be true depending on the man in question.

1. They haven't thought through the issue very carefully and are merely guilty of sloppy thinking.

2. They resent feminist complaints and so are grasping at anything to have complaints of their own.

3. They just want to be able to be sexually irresponsible and will look for any excuse to justify that desire.

EDIT

I would add that some of these demands would seem even less reasonable if the issue of abortion were not framed as an issue of a "right" to "reproductive choice", but rather as a right not to have the government intrude into decisions between a doctor and patient concerning a patient's body and reproductive decisions. there is NO "right" to "reproductive choice". There is a right to have the government mind its own business in personal matters.

EDIT

One last point. Their sloppy thinking (when it is sincere) arises from a mistake that many feminists also make: that of treating "fairness" or "equality" as the summum bonum. There are other equally legitimate concerns that a humane approach to human affairs must take into account, and even if the choices available to men and women are somehow unequal, it would be a far greater injustice to
1. allow men to force women into medical procedures that may cause them harm and to which they may have moral objections; or
2. to allow children to go hungry while one of their parents is allowed to take no responsibility.

Answer 2

While we're on the subject of equality, would you kindly refrain from stereotyping my sex? To say "men want" is absurd, as not all men will agree (such as me).

Edit: I just noticed that you did write "some" men in your title question, so thank you for that.

Answer 3

Women have the "difficult choice" but the HAVE the choice; men do NOT. Can you see the difference? Probably not.

The answer to your question is the same for those men as it is for those women who have demanded, and gotten, the ability. of consequence-free sex.

In short, they want equal treatment.

Answer 4

I suspect this is a follow up to a recent question...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArjRcErfz0wX_w41PPy.Tojsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071107143145AAIPCzC&show=7#profile-info-hlTqdJ69aa

it's similar to many others that I see frequently in this category. I agree that it is a fringe group of men who feel this way. Typically I'd say these guys are very young and inexperienced or bitter and jilted. I don't think there's any reasoning with them.

I can't believe he actually suggested I'm prolife...lol I give up.

Kendrick: Until it's possible to transfer a fetus to a man's body, it is not the least bit absurd that the abortion decision is hers and hers alone. It's HER body. What part of that is difficult to comprehend?

Answer 5

i take it by 'some men' you mean lister.

if i can find just one really witless post by a young and confused woman on here, would that entitle me to make an issue of the strange beliefs of 'some women'?

Answer 6

This is as absurd as a woman being able to have an abortion without him having say over it.

This is as absurd as women automatically getting the child.

And yes, women have this luxury when they have abortions.

Consider this:

- Women initiate 75% of divorces.

- Women get custody nearly 80% of the time.

- 40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the fathers visitation to punish their ex-spouse.
["Frequency of Visitation" by Sanford Braver, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry]

- 50% of mothers see no value in the fathers continued contact with his children.
["Surviving the Breakup" by Joan Berlin Kelly]

Yes, we get it!! All we are to anyone, is paychecks. Keep fighting to take men's children away from them and getting them paychecks. What would you do if someone kidnapped your child, and not only was it legal, but you had to actually fund the kidnappers!?
That men's birth control pill they're coming out with is long overdue.

Edit: Pushtheweak: So, then you think that men should have say over the reproductive process considering it's THEIR BODY and MONEY? Or are you a female supremacist? This part is what is difficult to understand... Whether you think men should have control over their bodies too, or just simply admit that you're a female supremacist?
Either way, they're both absurd... I'm not Anti-children, but Pro-Men's/Father's Rights

Answer 7

Every action in life has a consequence. The sooner those people figure this out, the easier it will be for them to accept and deal with the responsibility of their choices. We've all got to grow up sometime. Some people take longer to do it than others. (As you can plainly see by reading some of those guys' questions in this forum!)

Answer 8

As a guy, I dont know many men who share this view.

But if men are asking for the rights that you have listed, it is probably because they dont want to take real responsibility for their actions.

Answer 9

Ya know, when I ask guys out in the "real world" what their opinion on this is, they think it's crazy that some of the guys here seem to think it's "unfair" that they can't just walk away from being negligent when it comes to sex. But, then again, sane, normal guys out in the "real world" also seem to know that rape isn't about sex, and that women aren't inferior. Go figure.

Answer 10

Men can never know the consequences of abortion that a woman experiences, such as infertility. So to them, abortion carries no consequences whatsoever..they seem to view abortion as a free pass, and they want a free pass also.

I don't know what it will take to demonstrate to these men that abortion carries serious physical and emotional consequences, and it is indeed anything BUT a "free pass."